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Are We Facing Growth or Decline, Utopia or Collapse?

Seeded on Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM EST
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environment, electricity, catastrophe, energy-and-climate-future, global-fossil, slow-decline, techno-utopia
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It seems there are many camps when it comes to our energy and climate future. Some don't think there's a problem. Some think we'll not only solve our problems, but produce even more energy more cleanly. Some think we're doomed and have no chance of anything other than catastrophe. Some think we're in for a long, slow decline in energy and living standards. Who's right? Across several previous posts I've tried to articulate different aspects of this, but haven't tried to really spell it out directly. In large part that's because I don't know, and am skeptical of those who claim to know with certainty. More than asking who's right, the question I'm interested in is this one: what should we do?

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I don't think either techno-utopia or collapse are likely, but I can't rule them out despite my best efforts at reasoning about them. On one hand, I suppose it's possible that technological developments will surprise us, and present a solution out of nowhere. On the other hand, maybe through unwise geopolitical / military actions or unprecedented financial chaos, global systems become fundamentally unstable and come apart at the seams beyond the ability of nations to repair them.

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Reply#1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM EST
oldfogey

Who is the "We"? The four alternatives fail to recognize that a world with over 6 billion individuals need not break down completely along any one

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Reply#2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:24 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

Great observation, oldfogey! I thought so too.

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#2.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:29 AM EST
oldfogey

This program keeps eating my words, grrrrrrrr! To continue:

future channel of reality. Six billion people will produce a vast array of outcomes. I presume the rich and powerful will end up with something close to Utopia and the less fortunate will collapse into chaos. Time for the wary to arm themselves with information and knowledge.

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#2.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:38 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

Time for the wary to arm themselves with information and knowledge.

Indeed. Thank you.

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#2.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:57 PM EST
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