Why the Right Went Insane Over the Clint Eastwood Superbowl Ad

And speak of the rightwing....

How chad? Please do tell.

Don't you love it when any criticism of the right wing invariably ends up in the talking point that the left wing is as bad as the right wing. Does that mean someone is keeping track of criticisms on a score card and when there are more for the right the automatic response that its unfair. Which has nothing to do with the situation being discussed.

Both parties have their issues, but I am going to call this right wing Republican reaction to a positive message for what it is, cheap shot negativity.

Left wing is equally bad

Right wing talking point:

"Fire good. Left wing bad."

I am a Republican and I did not even watch the damned thing. I was eating at halftime. Please do not include me in your diatribe.

Message to Rove, Malkin and right wingers:

If you are smart--you do not pick a fight with Clint Eastwood! Operative word--"smart."

Good article, Ms. Cyprah!

They would have preferred that GM and Chrysler fail

They did fail they had to go bankrupt the number two Auto company in the world was out of money because they fell to number two. and no it would not have been thousands it would have been 3.5 million for GM alone if they were not allowed to go bankrupt.

Leave it to the Liberals to be overly sensitive regarding an obvious conclusion. The extreme right and left are both equally intolerable.

By the way, I did not call a wing "nuts". But my comment is collapsed. Nothing like subjectivity

chad-254959

The extreme right and left are both equally intolerable.

Wrong, look up asymmetrical polarization, the left is not equal the right in terms of disconnectedness.

I agree that people should not collapse your post BTW...

he car companies paid the money back to the govt.

just to be fair before some right winger flips out. WE lost a couple billion in the deal. BILLION!!!! is how the right would say it. But it was about one week in iraqs worth, to save an entire american industry that was one of the corner stones of the middle class. ANd it wasnt just the big three automakers but the entire industry around it, from the people who make brakes to sell to the automakers and repair shops, to the various businesses that support their employees.

I think it was well worth 1 week of iraqi spending, helping americans over blowing up brown people. Call me crazy but in the long run I bet we find bailing out the auto makers more valuable to america than making a bunch of enemies in iraq.

And if the American auto industry had been allowed to go under, we would have cars now made in China made by Chinese workers working 12 hour shifts a day living out of and sleeping in dorms between shifts and making $17 a day with no benefits. That is the definition of sweat shops. And those cars would be falling apart soon after they are purchased.

And those cars would be falling apart soon after they are purchased.

As opposed to...American cars that do the exact same thing at 5 times the cost?

making $17 a day with no benefits

Making $17 a day? Who are you trying to kid, they don't make that much. /s (actually I honestly think they don't make that much, but then you could be quite correct on the amount)

Damn, you know its true. We'd all be having a choice of foreign cars instead of American ones. Crappy or total garbage, take your pick. Ugh.

Naw, I'm glad he bailed the American auto industry out with a loan. It not only saved the big 3 (although Ford did not ask for or take any money) but also saved the hundreds of thousands of auto industry related jobs. From manufacturing, to dealerships, to mechanics, and the list goes on and on.

I remember back in the 80s when the auto manufacturing plant near me closed down. Thousands were out of work. It had a real cascade effect. Darn near every small business all along Main street of all the surrounding towns closed. Even the big chain department store ended up closing down. No money, no shopping and around and around it goes. It was absolutely horrible. (same things happen when they close down military bases)

This commercial was damn good. I loved it. Political? Well I suppose if you really want to see it that way, you can put some imagination into it and make it so. However I saw it more along the lines of what Nintendo did some years back in one of their Super Bowl commercials. Anyone remember the Save the Pinata? Just brilliant advertising.

industry that was one

That is right it was. It will never be again.

Ah... yes.... because selling cars, and saying that buying American is something for the right wing to freak out about

Hi ERich - I hope life has been good to you!

Here where I live, my entire circle is right of center and we did not think anything of the Eastwood ad. I thought the GM truck ad was a bit depressing but other than that, We did not make anything of it!! Most of us are scratching our heads about why the the political opinions of the right is making a big deal about this?? If Obama used tax payer money to produce the spot that is something different.

We are ALL about buying American as every vehicle we drive is American MADE, including my beloved Vettes!!!

Don't judge your countrymen who are right wingers by what Karl Rove has to say! He is a little @sswipe putz anyway!

Mountain Mike- And those cars would be falling apart soon after they are purchased.

Matt in MN

As opposed to...American cars that do the exact same thing at 5 times the cost?

Bah Humbug Matt. Give Detroit a break. At least we saved some jobs and less Americans were out of work. I think that's a postive. Had the auto industry gone under the snowball effect would have been tremendous, think about how many other industries are related, tires, electronics,many, many others....

Matt belongs to the Drag America Down contingent, a.k.a. right wing and Republican party.

Give Detroit a break.

Yeah, we already did. That's kind of the issue with America - rewarding failure. Rewarding failure in finance, rewarding failure in manufacturing, rewarding failure in everything.

At least we saved some jobs and less Americans were out of work.

We saved jobs of people doing a poor job. I'm not sure that's the goal. Had Detroit been pumping out marketable cars with excellent reliability, we'd obviously want to save their jobs - but - that's simply not the case.

Had the auto industry gone under the snowball effect would have been tremendous, think about how many other industries are related, tires, electronics,many, many others....

Is that a hint of slippery slope logical fallacy I detect? Yup! It sure is. I guess if you can argue that, I can argue if they failed a new vehicle manufacturer would have swallowed up their void in the market and we'd all be driving flying cars today. After all, it's not much more of a stretch than the argument you just made.

Matt belongs to the Drag America Down contingent, a.k.a. right wing and Republican party.

That's a personal attack and a violation of the CoH. You're not attacking an argument you're addressing me directly. I hope the moderator of this seed will take appropriate measures to ensure such mental regurgitation doesn't remain on her seed. If you have anything of substance to add - consider attempting to make that argument void of personal attacks.

How can you tell, Auto? Have your own crystal ball? The people in the Middle Ages were predicting OUR future with the same conviction as you are now, and look way happened to that! :o(

all you have to do is research it. The profit margin is very low for the cost of a car. even thou cars are more reliable it is more costly to repair them. in America one of the worlds largest car markets(historical) we are now at more cars then drivers on the road. Now the place where they are looking to sell cars is china. the question is How do you compete with cars that are sold over their for 2,500 or less? the average income in China is $2 a day !!!!! that Growth is limited based on that.

Now lets look at oil. it is not going to go down oil is used for every think and it is the most powerful fuel we have. BIO fuel is weaker and you get less MPG with it. They haveno replacement fuel for it. The world has reached its max production. and it is falling. The middle east is now drilling off shore and that is 10x more expensive then on land and it is a very low quality oil. the deeper you go the poorer the oil you get. Now you say what about electric cars? you still need a lot of oil for the tires it takes 9 gallons of oil to make one tire now count how many tires there are in the world.

The perfect storm is boiling that will cause horrible problems in the world.

Well, then, I retract my statement: You don't belong to the Drag America Down contingent. Just your comments do.

GOP have being rooting for American economy to fail, rooting for American worker spirit to fail, rooting for the Auto Industry to fail, so they can unseat President's Obama in November. Thus, it's clearly that GOP and conservative party have being betrayed American and American workers in this country and around the world. How can any GOP voters to vote for any GOP candidate that root for them to fail?

Huh? What? Can we get a translation?

Thus, it's clearly that GOP and conservative party have being betrayed American and American workers in this country and around the world. How can any GOP voters to vote for any GOP candidate that root for them to fail?

I did get a one hell of a tax cut and it got a little better with Obama. In 2008 it was about 7% income tax on 72K in 2011 it is just under 6% for 91K.

I like Obamas plan of a minimum tax on multinational corporations, which will be 100% earmarked to reduce taxes for corps that make jobs at home.

Right now the corporate world enjoys the american brand, the american military and the american intelligence apparatus and the ones that use it most, dont pay a dime for it and the ones that use it the least, pay for it all.

That is ass backwards. Obama wants to fix this. To encourage corps to bring money home, to bring jobs home, as a way to reduce their minimum tax rate. No longer will they be able to reduce their tax rates by keeping profits out of the country while importing debts as we have now.

Really american tax payers are subsidizing every country that our corps decide to pay taxes in, to avoid american taxes.

TooManyPuppies

Right now the corporate world enjoys the american brand, the american military and the american intelligence apparatus and the ones that use it most, dont pay a dime for it and the ones that use it the least, pay for it all.

very well stated, thank you

We need a full commitment to turn things around for America. Eliminate tax loopholes. In their place offer tax incentives to corporations for creating jobs in America and tax incentives for "insourcing" jobs. Tax the obscene executive salaries and bonuses. If US corporations are making huge profits in this country and investing offshore and creating jobs in other countries, those profits need a higher tax rate.

Then ban Wall Street speculation on oil and food. Speculators are causing nation wide inflation for Main Street America by speculating in oil, corn, rice, wheat, sugar, coffee, etc... This idea always draws a right wing Republican response "you can't do that." YES we can. Look up the history of trading in commodities. It was attached to agriculture in the beginning. There is already a law on the books the Commodities and Futures Trade Commission is not enforcing. Forces in the market other than natural supply and demand specifically to drive prices up to make profits should be considered ILLEGAL. The problem here is the CFTC itself and all of its commissioners being ex Wall Street executives led by a Republican appointee that is against regulation.

Such a ban would cut gas prices at the pump in half over night and similarly drastically reduce food prices over night. It would be an instant bail out of Main Street requiring no taxpayer money at all.

Democrats are equally bad

You have an example? see Bush enjoyed a 90% approval after 911 because DEMS ARE NOT THAT BAD.

We would not hope for the country to fail, to get to the republican president.

WE would not cheer the US losing the Olympics just to make the republican president look bad.

You republicans love to claim the dems are just as bad but notice you never provide examples.

TooManyPuppies

Its like a bunch of kids from the neighborhood back "in the day" playing football, then there is the kid that wants you to play by his rules or he is going to take his football and leave.

Yes, provide specific examples. LBJ lying his butt off about the Gulf of Tonkin to start the Vietnam War = Democrat bad. Bush and Cheney taking that 90 percent popularity after 9/11, lying their butts off and invading Iraq = Republican bad. Bill Clinton having extra martial sex = Democrat bad. Newt Gingrich having the same type of extra marital sex with his mistress third wife = Republican bad.

Democrats are equally bad

Do you have that on a keyboard macro?

LBJ, Bush and Clinton were presidents. Gingrich will never be. Apples versus a lemon.

Agent 57,

I was thinking the same thing.

Only Conservatives would destroy the country they live in so a Republican President can be elected

Only Conservatives would rally against the Olympics coming to the country they live in because they don't like the President

Only Conservatives would malign the revival of an American auto industry because they don't like the Stimulus

Only Conservatives would rail against the Stimulus, then use that same Stimulus to prop up their own budgets in the short-term

Only Conservatives would create a lie (Christmas tree tax) to prevent an industry (live Christmas trees) from competing with artificial trees and provide seasonal jobs to Americans

Only Conservatives would whine about corruption in government, then cheer as the Supreme Court affirms the Citizens United ruling

We the Voters made a major mistake by allowing this poison to take over the House and have filibuster power over the Senate in 2010. It's time to rectify that error starting this November and continuing the fight until this nightmare is nothing but a horrible footnote in American political history.

At least one Democrat does - and he's in the White House!

its funny the rightwing whining, and they really think any of their clowns can beat obama...

CHad.. the dems fought for UE extensions, the right fought against it.

Chad the dems fought for a consumer financial protection agency, the right are still fighting it

Chad the dems fought for employee side payroll tax cuts, the right are still fighting it.

Chad the dems are righting to return the tax code back to where it was under clinton, you know when we had surpluses, the right want to pay for the deficit by cutting every program that helps the poor and middle class.

THe dems saved the industry that practically created the middle class, the right fought to close down that industry and recall the right said the banker bonuses could not be touched as they were contracts and the bankers might leave without them anyways, but demanded that the autoworkers drop their contracts and take less money.

Do you still want to make that evidenceless class you just made?

It does seem to boil down to Republicans being the party of, for and by the richest 5 to 10 percent of all Americans and the largest and richest corporations. Democrats for all of their issues still manage to advocate for the rest of us with health care reform, banking reform, jobs legislation (even though they are obstructed by Republicans), etc...

Chad..... you are right.

Dems fought for UE extensions ....... because they care about you? No! Because they care about themselves and are BUYING VOTES!

The Democrats care about what other politicians care about, being re-elected. Has absolutely nothing to do with them caring about you. tHE dEMOCRATS AND republicans are equally responsible for some of the horrible trade regulations that have shipped jobs out of this country by the thousands. My point is easily made by just simply considering the Obama jobs czar. Jefferey Immelt. Good Lord how hypocritical is that, Obama cares about you. People are blind if they think any of them care for us...

Clint got famous from spaghetti westerns now he is a spokesperson for Italian cars how fitting.

as I said above.. some on the right will say anything to disparage or belittle others (even other republicans) in their effort to defeat anything that is not from them...

If I'm going to buy an Italian car its going to be a Ferrari not a Chrysler. Clint got famous from spaghetti westerns now he is a spokesperson for Italian cars how fitting.

Your desperation is showing. It's sunset for the teabaggers.

DM so you think they just packed up and left Detroit right? GOt to love the patriotism of the right. They scream AMERICA IS #1 and then say they are going to buy a real italian car just to screw Obama. GReat showing of patriotism there DM.

Also Fiat doesnt Own chrysler outright. I know you right wingers are desperate for this to be true. THey are in a partner ownership. Fiat owns nearly 60% of the company but have an agreement to let Chrysler manage itself and STAY AN AMERICAN COMPANY, while fiat will provide better fuel effecient engines to chrysler. IT IS STILL AN AMERICAN COMPANY. MUCH LIKE FOX NEWS IS, DESPITE THAT ARAB DUDE OWNING SO DAMN MUCH OF IT.

SOrry DM but Chrysler LLC is still an american corporation, CLINT WAS RIGHT AND INFORMED, I WISH THE REST OF THE RIGHT WAS.
hrysler LLC

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler

heck some of our building and ports are owned by foreign corps, are you going to claim that is no longer american land?

Dan Quayle and his buddies at Cerberus capital management made out like bandits with the help of Obama and his crony capitalism on this one. Quayle is enjoying his golden parachute at the taxpayers expense.

Rupert Murdoch = United Kingdom.

Koch brothers = Australia.

The real money sources behind the right wing theme of "Real Americans" - but they are not Americans themselves. Just using "Real Americans" that are so easily misled.

Soros = Nazi Germany.

Yep, further proof, the right wings is stuck in the PAST...

All together now...

"yesterday-all my troubles seemed so far away-now it seems as though they're here to stay-Oh I believe- in Yes-Ter-Day"

Meanwhile, the 'Home of the Brave', prepares for tomorrow, and whatever IT might bring...

I'm ready for tomorrow ' Ms C ', what about you; you 'Joan of Arc' type warrior...I enjoy your posts. Keep them coming!

I find the retorts of the right in this thread fitting of the party of no ideas.

Left wing is equally bad

Is this the Wizard of Oz and Over the Rainbow? Then you have to keep clicking your heels to make it come true.

I have issues with both parties but it is on an issue by issue basis. We do need a multi party system instead of a "bipolar" - extremely partisan politics and government.

yep

I think you hit the nail right on the head, Ms Cyprah.

They're just upset that the divisiveness they've created has actually divided them from mainstream America.

Sure they get to put up their Mission Accomplished banner but they have to place it on the Democrat's aircraft carrier.

Isn't Clint Eastwood Republican?

Yeah, but he's not CRAZY...

IV now chicago is so liberal that IV wants to get rid of the entire town.

ANd these are americans uber nationalists.

Proamerica as long as it is right wing.

Remember to the right, there is a real america and they are all right wingers and everyone else can go @!$%# themselves.

IV so you hate left wing america so much, you wouldnt want to help our businesses with a super event like the Olympics?

Thats childish. I would have been happy if the Olympics went to Dallas, or even crawford.

Because us lefties arent as bad as the right no matter how many times you say it is true.

So who wants to go to Chicago?

Who wants you in their town?

Chicago is a great city and it's a shame that the city didn't win the Olympic bid.

"So who wants to go to Chicago"

Not very long ago,millions did just that. They were excaping the the right wing Tyranny of 'Jim Crow'. And now that Jim Crow has been resuscitated by the GOP,that migration might again pick up speed; unless they are hiring at Gov Rick Perry's "n...gr head ranch".

he contributed the money to a charity! That's anti-American?

I wasn't aware that he'd given it all to charity.

Was Eastwood, a lifelong Republican who has said he’s voted only for Republican presidents since 1952, casting his lot with President Obama and the auto industrys bailout? Just what was the subtext and motive? Eastwood is being characteristically tight-lipped, but did make one thing perfectly clear: he’s donating “anything they gave me” to charity.

The thing is, he can be a Republican but still be against the tactics of today's Republicans.

I don't think he would have done that ad if he was happy with the games that are being played in his party.

The thing is, he can be a Republican but still be against the tactics of today's Republicans.

you just can be vocal about that, or you become a rino and are viciously attacked. Crap look what the right did to komen for the cure, when komen for the cure is a mega right wing charity.

You step out of the goose stepping line and you get shot.

The Republican Party has taken a hard right turn as of 2010 with Teapublicans getting elected. They have been making many concessions to the right wing for several years now, and it does seem to be alienating Republican moderates, independents and cross over voters. This is probably as big or bigger than the right wing voting block, but no one seems to be focused on them. My wild guess is that they will either not show up to vote in 2012 for Mitt and a right wing VP candidate, Newt (a corrupt adulterer) or Rick (a far right wing fundamentalist).

At this point in the year, you would expect all of the candidates still in the race giving it their best shots to sell themselves and boosting them in the polls. The latest polls I have seen have indicated a substantial Obama lead over Romney, a very substantial lead over Newt and a very substantial lead over Santorum. This should be their high water mark and it isn't.

Maybe Republicans need to listen to Dirty Harry.

I could suggest that they move back toward the middle, but who will listen?

I could suggest stop obstructing and come up with some real jobs programs, not make believe trickle down programs, but who would listen? I could suggest that they update their economic concepts to the 21st century but they are stuck in their 1980's trickle down dogma and 1920's deregulation dogma. Who will listen? Here we are in 2012 with Republican candidates calling for the elimination of the minimum wage (Bachmann) or calling Obama the Food Stamp President and recommending black American kids work (Newt) or fixate on sexuality issues (Santorum) and no separation of church and state (Perry). In short REGRESSIVES.

They are not connecting with mainstream America

But they are not listening. They are not going to change short of a huge backlash in 2012 elections.

voted up.. very good comment...

If you read the text it is an optimistic outlook from a tough game.

absolutely on spot...

Voted up, given I too see the same thing. There is nothing political about the ad. It's pretty much Pro-American, saying that we can pull back from the brink and be great again. Both sides are seeing things in the ad that are not there.

Did you read the article?

Sure it was an ad but it fostered discussion. Much like the apple 1984 ad. Sometimes even ads are art.

In this case, the chrystler AD reminded us that Detroit is alive and thriving DUE TO GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION which the right claim never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever works. ANd you know, it only takes one failure to kill a theory.

Puppies guess your having a difficult time with sarcasm

I do find it interesting that republicans to this day dont ask permission to use music, when they have been publicly embarrassed time and time and time again, as the famous artist who probably would have stayed out of politics and keep their mouths shut, suddenly get on TV to explain how their music is actually anti republican ideals.

It's quite baffling.

Well to be fair, the right has been acting pretty insane for the last few years so I guess you really couldn't say that this ad is what drove them to insanity.

and if they were driven to insanity it would be in a foreign made car,

Jesus Chryst it sure as hell wouldn't be a Chrysler if they had their way

and more to Susan's point, how the hell would we be able to tell?

lol fine IV, hyperbole, it doesnt change the fact that the right flipped over the AD. Karl rove was totally offended. They might not have actually gone insane, you are correct but they did have a hissy fit.

Still I find it funny you choose to get upset over this hyperbole, when I have never seen you get upset over right wing hyperbole, like how Obama is decimating the military, or Obama is taking over everything in america. But I have come to expect little independence from you.

You really care what Karl Rove thinks? Really....???? Get real..

The left goes insane at the mere mention of Rove....he gets as much ink as Obama. No Obama is not decimating the military. I believe we should close a majority of our bases abroad.

and who pitches hissy fits? petulant children that don't get their way, or things are said to them they don't like

by the way it is the same mentality that uses dirty tricks and lies to force their agenda

the same group that has to coerce with propaganda

and the same group, of men at least, that can't be proper ganders and cheat on their goose

How many more bad decisions do they have to make before people see the damage caused by this Congress?

I think this comment exemplifies the blind partisanship of the left. When Obama's policies weren't working - it was because of the Republican controlled congress. When the economy starts to show upward trends...Then suddenly Obama is credited with turning it around. It doesn't make a bit of logical sense.

Obama has been Obama the entire time he's been in office. The economy didn't show signs of life until Republicans took control of the house.

When the policies Obama passed didn't work it was because of Republicans. Then more Republicans get elected and Obama is praised for the resulting economic turn-around. Complete and utter blind partisanship. It's quite asinine.

The economy didn't show signs of life until Republicans took control of the house.

And did what, got right to work on abortion legislation?

wtf

You are so right, Matt, because Bush had already killed it!

Coincidentally, after Democrats took control of the house...

The economy was growing faster in 2010 when the democrats were in charge. Democrats ended bush's economic nightmare in 2009.

The economy was growing faster in 2010 when the democrats were in charge. Democrats ended bush's economic nightmare in 2009.

Factually incorrect: http://www.bea.gov/briefrm/gdp.htm

In fact, we can see the GDP never even went negative until 2008. Prior to that the GDP was growing extremely fast until the Democrats took control of the house in 2006. Then when we had all three controlled by the Democrats it started dipping into negative growth. Scary.

And...Growth was decreasing until Republicans had a quarter in the house at which point it started rebounding.

Do you find it interesting since the Government is more of a two party system that the first time jobless have drooped to 2008 levels.

Bush had already killed it! :o(

The economy was growing faster in 2010 when the democrats were in charge. Democrats ended bush's economic nightmare in 2009.

Ahhhhh........ What? The democrats lost control of the house big-time in 2010. The house is where the money is appropriated! Bush was not President in 2009, the democrats had control of the purse strings the last half of Bush's Presidency and the first half of Obama's Presidency. Go figure!

Ya ...... What alright

What Was the U.S. GDP Then?

Real GDP returned in 2010 when the Republicans returned to power in many states and in the House of Representatives.

So now what exactly did Bush do to "kill" the economy?

FYI: Economic policies produce results at least a few months after those policies are enacted. How could the repubs have passed any policies or produced any results in 2010 when they started in their jobs with their new majority in the house of reps in January 2011??

The US economy in January 2009 was in a nightmarish free fall and the repubs expected the democrats to turn a huge economy around in one day.

The US economy in January 2009 was in a nightmarish free fall and the repubs expected the democrats to turn a huge economy around in one day.

What?!? The Democrats had control of the house since 2006. Being in free-fall in 2009 was THEIR fault. Before 2006, the Economy was booming! 2006 comes around - Dems take control of the house it started growing slower, eventually becoming stagnated. By 2008, after 2 years of a Dem controlled house, it went flat negative growth.

Can you list the laws that the democrats passed over bush's veto that caused the economy to go into a free fall?

The repubs were telling everyone in 2008 that there was """"no bush recession""""" They said that it was just a """"mental recession""""

BS on who had the majority in the house. Dems lost the majority to the Republicans in 1995. The Republicans held that majority until 2007 and regained it in 2011.

The Republican party gained control half way through Clinton's first term as president and held onto it three quarters of the way through the Bush (43) presidency.

Republicans have had complete control of the house 13 of the last 17 years.

http://artandhistory.house.gov/house_history/partyDiv.aspx

United states Senate gained a Republican majority in 1995. They maintained that majority until 2001 when it became equally divided 50/50 between the two parties. Then 50 Dems, 49 Republicans, 1 Independent for the later half of that year. (2001)

Republicans regain majority in November of 2002 and kept it until 2009. Again the Republican party has had control of the senate 13 of the last 17 years.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm

""""mental recession""""

it was and I refused to participate in it.

BS on who had the majority in the house. Dems lost the majority to the Republicans in 1995. The Republicans held that majority until 2007 and regained it in 2011.

I'm pretty sure, that's what EVERYONE here is saying. Coincidentally, 2007 is when the economy collapsed, 2011 is when it started to recover.

The Republican party gained control half way through Clinton's first term as president and held onto it three quarters of the way through the Bush (43) presidency.

Interestingly enough, this is when the economy was booming.

Republicans have had complete control of the house 13 of the last 17 years.

And in those 4/17 years, the economy collapsed.

Can you list the laws that the democrats passed over bush's veto that caused the economy to go into a free fall?

Not any more than you can prove anything the Democrats passed have contributed to a recovery. Which is why these comments are such perfect examples of the left's blind partisanship.

bush's great recession nightmare mess ended in 2009. The economy has been growing since 2009.

bush's great recession nightmare mess ended in 2009. The economy has been growing since 2009.

The facts show that your post is a blatant lie:

http://www.bea.gov/briefrm/gdp.htm

Matt the recession of the late 2000's began in Dec. of 2007 and ended in June of 2009 according to the NBER.

Thanks code. It seems that Matt has been reading only his own news sources.

Matt the recession of the late 2000's began in Dec. of 2007

11 Months after Democrats took control of the house.

ended in June of 2009

The NBER said it ended at the first positive GDP numbers. Those numbers again, began declining in Q1 of 2010 and continued to decline until Republicans got some time in the house. Q3 of 2010.

It seems that Matt has been reading only his own news sources.

My news source is the U.S Dept of Commerce. The NBER is a think tank from Cambridge, Mass.

I'm not saying...But, I'm just sayin'...

You might want to also ease up on attacking the viner as that's a violation of CoH #1. You're attacking me, personally, not my argument.

or, The New Bumbler.