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1: You’re irate over the president taking so many vacation days on the taxpayer’s dime (61 thus far), but you thought George W. Bush earned every minute of his leisure time (196 days at the same point in his presidency).

2: You’re happy with your 40 hour work week, paid vacations and company-provided healthcare, but you’re strongly anti-union, because those commies haven’t done anything for you lately.

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Ms CYPRAH

16: You strongly defend individual freedom, but that freedom doesn’t include a woman’s right to decide her own healthcare needs.

17: You believe corporations are people too, and are deserving of the same rights as the rest of us. Just not the same obligations to pay personal income tax free of corporate loopholes, or penalties for massive criminal behavior and tax evasion. In these matters, corporations are deserving of special rights.

Simply brilliant in its simplicity!

  • 72 votes
#1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:57 AM EST
Linda Luke

Voted up Ms CYPRAH but need I remind everyone that Freedoms in the USA are being taken away by both Republicans and Democrats. Though the listed hypocritical statements seem to hold true we the people keep allowing the nonsense of government, with both sides contributing to our certain demise.

  • 21 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:05 PM EST
Arlene Tognetti

Ms Cyprah

These are great!!

What a great find!

Thank you!

  • 22 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:06 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

#4.

4: You believe Ronald Reagan was a devout Christian, even though he hated going to church, but any president who spends twenty years going to the same Trinity United Church in Chicago must be a Muslim.

They left out the part that Reagan believed in asrtology which is considered witchcraft in The Holy Bible. The Reagans asked these seer's to tell them when it was the right or wrong time to do something. Kind of like the first king of Israel Saul, when he went a witch to summon the prophet Samuel who had died earlier. Saul was none to pleased with what became of him.

Reagan conjured the spirits of demons and tried to act like he believed in God, just like many in the right wing christianity today.

  • 48 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST
trekie70

Has to be simple for GOTPers to understand; remember, they're not big on education.

  • 24 votes
#1.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:29 PM EST
TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

...What's good for you is only for you,f**k everyone else.

...You are a 59 year old man and are caught with a 26 year old female and DUI-ing,but pursue the thinking in which sex is strictly for heterosexuals and procreation.

...I can have an abortion because of _______(reason du jour),but anyone else absolutely cannot,under ANY circumstance,or it is murder.

...You are dubbed as a 'job creator' and receive a tax break because of it,but you have had this break for 10+years and HAVEN'T YET created a single job.

...You BELIEVE that the 'trickle down' ISN'T urine

Man,I could go on all day but I must stop. I have things to do. Maybe more than usual because of you asswipes. I have to go pick garbage for food...WHILE THAT'S STILL LEGAL even.

  • 31 votes
#1.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:34 PM EST
Randy McMurphy

They want a leader, not a reader, as if the 2 were mutually exclusive....

  • 22 votes
#1.6 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:56 PM EST
Ms CYPRAH

These are great!!

What a great find!

Thank you, Arlene, glad you liked them. :o)

  • 11 votes
#1.7 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:05 PM EST
Jesse-Az

In regards to number 2, just because I don't read full grenade trolling articles, which Newsvine claims to be cutting down upon...

Unions did not invent the 40 hour work week, in fact it was Henry Ford in a non-unionized shop after recognizing diminishing returns. So the fallacy that that is because of Unions is laughable. Likewise is the child labor laws. The Federal government passed child labor laws AFTER every state already had labor laws on the books. Unions once again were not the reason for those laws. Those are the two most commonly 'you won't have this without unions!' lies committed by the left. Continue on with your right wing bashing though. Just wish Newsvine was more honest in their moderation of "Grenade Trolling."

  • 11 votes
#1.8 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:22 PM EST
Smith Cassidy

17: You believe corporations are people too, and are deserving of the same rights as the rest of us. Just not the same obligations to pay personal income tax free of corporate loopholes, or penalties for massive criminal behavior and tax evasion. In these matters, corporations are deserving of special rights.

18: And since corporations are now people too, you must believe in their right to a driver's license, the right to marry, to adopt children, etc. These rights shall not be denied to Exxon, Halliburton and BP (but still immune from the right of the People to try, convict and sentence to death any corporation that conspires to commit a felony… because at that point, they're suddenly not people again.)

19: You still believe Climate Change is a myth, and the recent record highs, lows, floods and droughts around the world coinciding with climate scientist's predictions are all an amazing coincidence. Oh, and Al Gore is FAT!

20: You believe when George W. Bush took the national debt from $5 trillion to $11 trillion, it was necessary for him to do so to keep America safe. But when Barack Obama added to it by trying to rescue the country from a second Great Depression, he was deliberately trying to destroy America!

My favorites.

  • 25 votes
#1.9 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:52 PM EST
TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

I forgot an easy common one.

...You say you are not racist,but you simply dislike anyone who is not 100% white or heterosexual,regardless of character.

  • 17 votes
#1.10 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:56 PM EST
Smith Cassidy

2: You're happy with your 40 hour work week, paid vacations and company-provided healthcare, but you're strongly anti-union, because those commies haven't done anything for you lately.

Jesse, I don't see any mention of Child Labor in there. And I noticed you didn't touch on vacations, healthcare, etc. when trying to "set the record straight."

Jesse-Az

Unions did not invent the 40 hour work week, in fact it was Henry Ford in a non-unionized shop after recognizing diminishing returns. So the fallacy that that is because of Unions is laughable. Likewise is the child labor laws. The Federal government passed child labor laws AFTER every state already had labor laws on the books. Unions once again were not the reason for those laws. Those are the two most commonly 'you won't have this without unions!' lies committed by the left. Continue on with your right wing bashing though. Just wish Newsvine was more honest in their moderation of "Grenade Trolling."

And just because Ford did it - more power to him - doesn't mean anything nationally.

The eight-hour day movement or 40-hour week movement, also known as the short-time movement, had its origins in the Industrial Revolution in Britain, where industrial production in large factories transformed working life and imposed long hours and poor working conditions. With working conditions unregulated, the health, welfare and morale of working people suffered. The use of child labour was common. The working day could range from 10 to 16 hours for six days a week.[1][2]

Robert Owen had raised the demand for a ten-hour day in 1810, and instituted it in his socialist enterprise at New Lanark. By 1817 he had formulated the goal of the eight-hour day and coined the slogan Eight hours labour, Eight hours recreation, Eight hours rest. Women and children in England were granted the ten-hour day in 1847. French workers won the 12-hour day after the February revolution of 1848. A shorter working day and improved working conditions were part of the general protests and agitation for Chartist reforms and the early organization of trade unions.

In the United States, Philadelphia carpenters went on strike in 1791 for the ten-hour day. By the 1830s, this had become a general demand. In 1835, workers in Philadelphia organized a general strike, led by Irish coal heavers. Their banners read, From 6 to 6, ten hours work and two hours for meals. Labor movement publications called for an eight-hour day as early as 1836. Boston ship carpenters, although not unionized, achieved an eight-hour day in 1842.

In 1864, the eight-hour day quickly became a central demand of the Chicago labor movement. The Illinois legislature passed a law in early 1867 granting an eight-hour day but had so many loopholes that it was largely ineffective. A city-wide strike that began on May 1, 1867 shut down the city's economy for a week before collapsing. On June 25, 1868, Congress passed an eight-hour law for federal employees[3] which was also of limited effectiveness. (On May 19, 1869, Grant signed a National Eight Hour Law Proclamation.[4])

In August 1866, the National Labor Union at Baltimore passed a resolution that said, "The first and great necessity of the present to free labour of this country from capitalist slavery, is the passing of a law by which eight hours shall be the normal working day in all States of the American Union. We are resolved to put forth all our strength until this glorious result is achieved."

During the 1870s, eight hours became a central demand, especially among labor organizers, with a network of Eight-Hour Leagues which held rallies and parades. A hundred thousand workers in New York City struck and won the eight-hour day in 1872, mostly for building trades workers. In Chicago, Albert Parsons became recording secretary of the Chicago Eight-Hour League in 1878, and was appointed a member of a national eight-hour committee in 1880.

At its convention in Chicago in 1884, the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions resolved that "eight hours shall constitute a legal day's labour from and after May 1, 1886, and that we recommend to labour organizations throughout this jurisdiction that they so direct their laws as to conform to this resolution by the time named."

The leadership of the Knights of Labor, under Terence V. Powderly, rejected appeals to join the movement as a whole, but many local Knights assemblies joined the strike call including Chicago, Cincinnati and Milwaukee. On May 1, 1886, Albert Parsons, head of the Chicago Knights of Labor, with his wife Lucy Parsons and two children, led 80,000 people down Michigan Avenue, Chicago, in what is regarded as the first modern May Day Parade, in support of the eight-hour day. In the next few days they were joined nationwide by 350,000 workers who went on strike at 1,200 factories, including 70,000 in Chicago, 45,000 in New York, 32,000 in Cincinnati, and additional thousands in other cities. Some workers gained shorter hours (eight or nine) with no reduction in pay; others accepted pay cuts with the reduction in hours.

On May 3, 1886, August Spies, editor of the Arbeiter-Zeitung (Workers Newspaper), spoke at a meeting of 6,000 workers, and afterwards many of them moved down the street to harass strikebreakers at the McCormick plant in Chicago. The police arrived, opened fire, and killed four people, wounding many more. At a subsequent rally on May 4 to protest this violence, a bomb exploded at the Haymarket Square. Hundreds of labour activists were rounded up and the prominent labour leaders arrested, tried, convicted, and executed giving the movement its first martyrs. On June 26, 1893 Illinois Governor John Peter Altgeld set the remaining leader free, and granted full pardons to all those tried claiming they were innocent of the crime for which they had been tried and the hanged men had been the victims of "hysteria, packed juries and a biased judge".

The American Federation of Labor, meeting in St Louis in December 1888, set May 1, 1890 as the day that American workers should work no more than eight hours. The International Workingmen's Association (Second International), meeting in Paris in 1889, endorsed the date for international demonstrations, thus starting the international tradition of May Day.
The United Mine Workers won an eight-hour day in 1898.

The Building Trades Council (BTC) of San Francisco, under the leadership of P.H. McCarthy, won the eight-hour day in 1900 when the BTC unilaterally declared that its members would work only eight hours a day for $3 a day. When the mill resisted, the BTC began organizing mill workers; the employers responded by locking out 8,000 employees throughout the Bay Area. The BTC, in return, established a union planing mill from which construction employers could obtain supplies — or face boycotts and sympathy strikes if they did not. The mill owners went to arbitration, where the union won the eight-hour day, a closed shop for all skilled workers, and an arbitration panel to resolve future disputes. In return, the union agreed to refuse to work with material produced by non-union planing mills or those that paid less than the Bay Area employers.

By 1905, the eight-hour day was widely installed in the printing trades – see International Typographical Union (section) – but the vast majority of Americans worked 12-14 hour days.
On January 5, 1914, the Ford Motor Company took the radical step of doubling pay to $5 a day and cut shifts from nine hours to eight, moves that were not popular with rival companies, although seeing the increase in Ford's productivity, and a significant increase in profit margin (from $30 million to $60 million in two years), most soon followed suit.[5][6][7][8]

In the summer of 1915, amid increased labor demand for World War I, a series of strikes demanding the eight-hour day began in Bridgeport, Connecticut. They were so successful that they spread throughout the Northeast.[9]

The United States Adamson Act in 1916 established an eight-hour day, with additional pay for overtime, for railroad workers. This was the first federal law that regulated the hours of workers in private companies. The United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Act in Wilson v. New, 243 U.S. 332 (1917).

The eight-hour day might have been realized for many working people in the U.S. in 1937, when what became the Fair Labor Standards Act (29 U.S. Code Chapter 8) was first proposed under the New Deal. As enacted, the act applied to industries whose combined employment represented about twenty percent of the U.S. labor force. In those industries, it set the maximum workweek at 40 hours,[10] but provided that employees working beyond 40 hours a week would receive additional overtime bonus salaries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day

  • 32 votes
#1.11 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:01 PM EST
I'm just saying...

#23...you believe that only one television channel is telling the truth and the other 99 are colluding against you to help socialists take over the world.

  • 44 votes
#1.12 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:18 PM EST
pinkcap

What a great article.

I have another one to add to the list. You might be a conservative you feel it is important to protect is the life of the unborn child, but once the child is born, that child has to find a way to take care of himself throughout his entire life without the help of the government. If he dies because his parents don't have health insurance, so be it. If he dies from a gunshot because some crazy person was allowed his second ammendment rights, then so be it.

  • 30 votes
#1.13 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:42 PM EST
theralinc

2x. You believe this seed has any value.

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:54 PM EST
Ms CYPRAH

If he dies because his parents don't have health insurance, so be it. If he dies from a gunshot because some crazy person was allowed his second ammendment rights, then so be it.

So true, pink cap. I guess focusing on the unborn child is where their responsibility stops! :o(

  • 18 votes
#1.15 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:33 PM EST
Ms CYPRAH

You believe this seed has any value.

I guess it wouldn't have any value to the people living in denial about its content.

  • 24 votes
#1.16 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:34 PM EST
OlymanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

#1. You don't believe every left wing spoon fed comment nor agree with them without doing your own homework.

#2 You realize the left is going to portray you as a racist for not liking the policies of the current president.

#3 You understand that if you don't drink the kool aid presented by the left and the left wing news media, you'll be called a traitor.

#4 If you don't agree with the way government handles their assistance program you'll be accused of hating old people and wanting needy people to die

#5 you don't take everything someone says out of context and try to twist it or make into into something it isn't.

  • 13 votes
#1.17 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:04 PM EST
Connie says

I wish I could vote Pink Caps comments up twice...that is sooo true.

  • 9 votes
#1.18 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:08 PM EST
Connie says

You realize the left is going to portray you as a racist for not liking the policies of the current president.

No I'm pretty sure its the comments like "food stamp president" and "anchor babies" that portray conservatives as racist

  • 24 votes
#1.19 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:11 PM EST
Don Overton

Olyman

Start your own friken article you are off topic.

  • 17 votes
#1.20 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:18 PM EST
Silvaria

My personal favorite:

21: You believe America is a God fearing country, and that the Almighty protects those who believe just as you do. But it’s never crossed your mind that the majority of tornados, hurricanes and floods all occur in the Bible Belt.

  • 21 votes
#1.21 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:20 PM EST
Walt42

Olyman...you might want to discuss this with Jesse-AZ

#1. You don't believe every left wing spoon fed comment nor agree with them without doing your own homework

Because, if you read Smith Cassidy, 1.11 above, you can see where someone didn't do his homework and, with a little investigation, wikipedia helped set the issue straight.

  • 14 votes
#1.22 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:59 PM EST
Jake-413451

In case you didn't know it's a duplicate story, wouldn't pop up in the auto-notification since AI is just changing the links, recycling old material.

http://curiousg.newsvine.com/_news/2011/09/19/7847309-you-might-be-a-conservative-if

http://easyjjgrand3.newsvine.com/_news/2011/11/11/8748209-you-might-be-a-conservative-if-addicting-info

They, Addicting Info, aren't even bothering to change the picture for it, wow now that is some lazy right there.

But get them page views, get those ad clicks, make that dollar. Capitalism at it's finest. / sarc

  • 6 votes
#1.23 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:59 PM EST
mountainmike-1199289

#1. You don't believe every left wing spoon fed comment nor agree with them without doing your own homework.

I have yet to meet up with a right wing Foxbot or Rushbot here that has done their homework.

  • 17 votes
#1.24 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:18 PM EST
TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

mike amended...or thought for themselves and not write a pre-programmed answer as told to them what to write and where to write it...kind of like their fav shows.

  • 3 votes
#1.25 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:47 PM EST
Lissa Rose

Smith Cassidy,

Can you provide evidence from a source that is not open for public edit? Wiki sites have their good points, but they are not necessary reliable sources because anyone can add to it.

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:40 AM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

Wiki is not allowed as a reference in any universities.

  • 7 votes
#1.27 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:40 AM EST
Smith Cassidy

Lissa Rose
Smith Cassidy,

Can you provide evidence from a source that is not open for public edit? Wiki sites have their good points, but they are not necessary reliable sources because anyone can add to it.

That's true of everything, internet sites, books, etc. In other words, all information is only as good as those who verify it.

I searched "history of 8 hour work day" and came up with the following:

http://www.8hourday.org.au/pdf/888_fact_01_history.pdf

http://www.pbs.org/livelyhood/workday/weekend/8hourday.html

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5330171_history-eight-hour-work-day.html

  • 2 votes
#1.28 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:49 AM EST
Smith Cassidy

Daniel A. Hallo
Wiki is not allowed as a reference in any universities.

That doesn't mean it's wrong by any stretch of the imagination.

  • 3 votes
#1.29 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:52 AM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

That doesn't mean it's wrong by any stretch of the imagination.

Right, Conservatives don’t have any stretch of imagination, just fear, and It means it’s not reliable.

  • 13 votes
#1.30 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:42 AM EST
Bill C-645784

#5 you don't take everything someone says out of context and try to twist it or make into into something it isn't.

Like Romney's commercial making Obama look like he was speaking his own words, when he was actually quoting someone else?

  • 13 votes
#1.31 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:22 AM EST
Bill C-645784

#5 you don't take everything someone says out of context and try to twist it or make into into something it isn't.

Or like Mitch McConnel forcing a vote on Obama's budget that he'd abandoned for a revised one, so McConnell could say it was voted down 97-3?

  • 8 votes
#1.32 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:25 AM EST
Cipher-0

Wiki is not allowed as a reference in any universities.

[citation needed]

  • 3 votes
#1.33 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:15 AM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

Go to school.

  • 3 votes
#1.34 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:32 AM EST
Cipher-0

Go to school.

I work at two and it's not true at either; Wikipedia can be used as a reference, but usually requires additional references as well - single-source references regardless of source are frowned upon.

You were saying?

  • 7 votes
#1.35 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:54 AM EST
Lissa Rose

Thanks, Smith Cassidy. I do appreciate that.

My school doesn't allow it to be used. The the professors at the universities I attended didn't allow it. If we used it, we didn't list it. We just listed the sources we used to verify what we found there.

  • 4 votes
#1.36 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

Exactly.

Encyclopedias can be a good start to your research, but professors encourage you to find the primary sources or some serious secondary sources.

Using Wikipedia as your primary source will guarantee you are graded poorly or fail.

Encyclopedias are not what universities are about, they teach you to think critically or they are not teaching they are indoctrinating.

  • 7 votes
#1.37 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST
Zoolopolis

When did being conservative become excuse for being an A$$!?

  • 11 votes
#1.38 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:32 AM EST
Cipher-0

professors encourage you to find the primary sources or some serious secondary sources.

Which is an entirely different statement than the patently false one from which you started.

  • 3 votes
#1.39 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:35 AM EST
voxrationis

"#1. You don't believe every left wing spoon fed comment nor agree with them without doing your own homework.

#2 You realize the left is going to portray you as a racist for not liking the policies of the current president.

#3 You understand that if you don't drink the kool aid presented by the left and the left wing news media, you'll be called a traitor.

#4 If you don't agree with the way government handles their assistance program you'll be accused of hating old people and wanting needy people to die

#5 you don't take everything someone says out of context and try to twist it or make into into something it isn't."

I find this response just completely laughable. The Left does not move in a herd. No one giving calls from the minarets every day at noon like Limbaugh. Nor does there seem to be a common news source because few liberals I know draw information from single sources. (Which really makes point #1 so foolish). Nor do I even know anyone on the Left I agree with lock, stock and barrel. That's simply not how we work. A complete misrepresentation.

A rarely do I see the term, "traitor" used when describing the Right. We are however disturbed by your lack of ability to make rational arguments. Why is it every time someone attempts to discuss FAIRNESS in this country they are shouted down with cries of socialism? IS that going to continue until the 1% hold 90% of the wealth or is there a limit? You are the one drunk from the Kool Aid. Your policies can and have done real damage to this country. A little admission of responsibility would go a long way toward showing you have any reason left in your being. But that will never come.

And most of all regarding point #2. If you espouse policies that result in the denigration of certain minority groups we are going to call you racist. The GOP doesn't even care about the black vote now that Cain is gone and he probably would have done about as well as McCain. You espouse colonial policies that favored the white landed gentry. We once excused those who held such beliefs because they were so prevalent at the time. There is no excusing them today. You believe in corporate welfare but not in assistance for the truly needy.

  • 7 votes
#1.40 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:23 AM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

Not at the better schools it’s not! As it is left up to the proffesors to set criteria as to how papers are sited I have never taken an academic course that allowed wiki as a source, ever. And I’ve studied to 3 colleges and two universities.

Conservatives tend to be anti-intellectual and so are more likely to conform to the indoctrination of then use higher levels of thinking or critical thought.

  • 7 votes
#1.41 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:32 AM EST
Dennis P McCann

If someone used Wikipedia as a source in one of my classes I'd hand the paper right back to them and tell them to do some actual research.

  • 6 votes
#1.42 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:36 AM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

Dennis P McCann

The only way to learn anything substantial is to find out for yourself.

  • 6 votes
#1.43 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:42 AM EST
Dr. Truth

As a tenured university professor, I do NOT allow my students to use wikipedia as a source. Credible university professors dock, if not fail, students for use of wikipedia as a resource unless it is used to illustrate an error in common beliefs that is published in a wikipedia article.

As for who is responsible for the 40 hour work week and 8 hour day, it is historically noted that the unionized workers who pushed for the 8 hour day. In fact, Ford Motor Company would only start their 8 hour day 50 years after the Chicago Labor Movement began the push, and won, in America the right to cap the day at 8 hours. It would be the Adamson Act and then the FLSA that would make this a national standard. However, it is the principles of Marx that would help dictate the worker's profitability to labour output; also known as the surplus labour/labour power equation.

  • 11 votes
#1.44 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:45 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

Start your own friken article you are off topic.

Indeed, Don. Thank you. He is off topic!

  • 3 votes
#1.45 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:16 PM EST
Jake-413451

Don. Thank you. He is off topic!

No more so than cowboygrandpa, TPisFORtheBATHROOM101, and I'm just saying..., all of whom offered their own additions to the list (and that's just where I stopped, I believe more may follow below).

Is the topic limited to parroting statements that agree with your sentiments, those of the article, and insulting anyone who goes by the label conservative?

  • 6 votes
#1.46 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:46 AM EST
Jake-413451

Ms CYPRAH

Your link is broken now too.

Guess AI had to recycle it again already.

  • 4 votes
#1.47 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:52 AM EST
Olyman

Yes Jake it is. Follow suit or be collapsed. The mantra of the left. If you don't agree, we'll just supress your comments. Freedom of speech at it's best. Agree or be censored.

  • 4 votes
#1.48 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

Talking BS in a forum, Interfering like a town drunk, and then being told to shut-up and let the adults talk or hit the road, is as American as apple pie! So grow up and behave or be gone,

Damn I love this country.

  • 6 votes
#1.49 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM EST
Olyman

So a differing opinion is now BS or interferring? How rich. Not to mention the lack of so called adults you refer to. Blame the right all you want if it makes you feel better. Fact of the matter is both parties are killing us. It's evidently easier to point the finger and fight with those of differing opinions than admit the truth. If we don't unite and work together against those not working in our best interest, party being irrelevant, we will fail. It's your choice succeed as one or fail divided.

  • 4 votes
#1.50 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

"When patience has begotten false estimates of its motives, when wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality." --Thomas Jefferson to M. deStael, 1807. ME 11:282

So a differing opinion is now BS or interfering?

Hell yes if it's based on illogic, ignorances and the refusal to acknowledge facts which is either evil malice or stupidity, exaggerated BS, lies or just made to disrupt and deflect from intelligent discussions from fear mongering cowards and chicken littles seeing boogie men under beds, promoting old based out arguments that have been discussed and dismissed as BS, sometimes centuries ago, but the idiots can't learn this even if their noses are rubbed in it. Hell Yes STFU!

"Those characters wherein fear predominates over hope may apprehend too much from...instances of irregularity. They may conclude too hastily that nature has formed man insusceptible of any other government than that of force, a conclusion not founded in truth nor experience." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787.

Damn I love this country.

  • 7 votes
#1.51 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:14 PM EST
Jake-413451

Hell yes if it's based on illogic..

So, you want a sound argument do you. Lets put that to the test shall we. This is a hot button topic right now, so how about this one:

17. You believe corporations are people too, and are deserving of the same rights as the rest of us.

Misrepresentation of the position. The argument is they are vehicles people use, that people do not lose their rights when they act collectively such as through a corporation or a union. Person-hood in the corporate sense, has to do with a simplified framework for property ownership and transfer between shareholders along with allowing for an ease in transition of business operations. That particular bit is more in line with the way that liberals wrongly portray what a corporation is, not the position of conservatives.

Just not the same obligations to pay personal income tax free of corporate loopholes,

Another illogical argument. These corporate loopholes are of equal legal basis as those "loopholes" for mortgage interest deductions, IRA deductions, child care deductions, etc. People who own the corporation are taxed once when the corporate entity gets taxed on "its" income, and then they get taxed on that same money (which was theirs even when still in the corporate account) when it is distributed to them as earnings.

So basically we have said if you want to be a part owner of a business, and enjoy limited exposure to liability you must pay taxes on that money multiple times. Seems just as fair of an interpretation as what we've seen in the seed itself.

or penalties for massive criminal behavior and tax evasion.

I was unaware of a massive repeal of the fraud statutes, which include fines that can be levied against businesses and imprisonment that can be imposed on individuals who commit criminal acts.

Its kind of a silly argument to say we should lock up buildings and pieces of paper (whoops should have read #18 huh)

In these matters, corporations are deserving of special rights.

Which "special rights" is this about? Limited liability, that is the right of an individual, not a corporation. Corporations do not have limited liability, people do. Right to due process before seizure of property? That is my right as a shareholder. As a shareholder I am a part owner of the property and capital which is really what makes up a corporation. It is my property, or my share of the property that is protected from that seizure without due process.

What special rights do you think they had in mind here? This particular one was indicated as being "brilliant in its simplicity!" They have it backwards, their overly simplistic hyperbole demonstrates these are sound bites, not thought out positions.

You've implied you have a low tolerance for "illogic, ignorances,..., exaggerated BS, lies or just made to disrupt and deflect from intelligent discussions from fear mongering cowards.." so have you told anyone who parrots #17 they should STFU?

  • 6 votes
#1.52 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:04 PM EST
Daniel A. Hallo

17. You believe corporations are people too, and are deserving of the same rights as the rest of us.

"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." --Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1816.

Where then is our republicanism to be found? Not in our constitution certainly, but merely in the spirit of our people. That would oblige even a despot to govern us republicanly. Owing to this spirit, and to nothing in the form of our constitution, all things have gone well. But this fact, so triumphantly misquoted by the enemies of reformation, is not the fruit of our constitution, but has prevailed in spite of it. Our functionaries have done well, because generally honest men. If any were not so, they feared to show it.

But it will be said, it is easier to find faults than to amend them. I do not think their amendment so difficult as is pretended. Only lay down true principles, and adhere to them inflexibly. Do not be frightened into their surrender by the alarms of the timid, or the croakings of wealth against the ascendency of the people. ~Letter to Samuel Kercheval, Thomas Jefferson (July 12, 1816)

Maybe if this next axiom, Axiom, is not enough for you I have to assume you are either stupid or an avarice egomaniac with delusions of Monarchism, but without a doubt Anti-soical and Aniti_American..even evil and anti-civilazation!

"An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." -- Plato

And If you want to cut more Taxes to the wealthy to create jobs after Bush you are all insane.
So yes, The GOP has not only gone too Far-Right, they have gone beyond the fringe, have NO credibility and need to Shut-Up and get to the back of the bus or get thrown out!



"[Those] quondam leaders [who cover] under [a] mask... hearts devoted to monarchy... have a right to tolerance, but neither to confidence nor power." --Thomas Jefferson to John Dickinson, 1801.

  • 5 votes
#1.53 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:19 PM EST
TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

Daniel #1.41. 3 universities and 2 colleges,yet your spelling and grammar are atrocious,at least in that comment. Were you overtired or studying at the time? Are you foreign and learning English? I would just like to know.

    #1.54 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:55 AM EST
    TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

    I'm not sure what you're referencing to,but yeah,Jake is right. I often see comments collapsed which shouldn't be IMO,and they often seem to be simply by disagreeing.

    That is one unforunate feature on here. Everyone has an opinion and should be able to vent or whatever they like. Many of the collapsed comments don't usually contain personal attacks.

    • 1 vote
    #1.55 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:02 AM EST
    GA Girl-718836

    Oh this is a great game! You might be a conservative if: Your moralistic stances of marriage, abortion, religion, and in general all things that aren't really any of your business is NEVER reflected in the candidate you select for your nominee. So in effect you have no credibility as a values voter or a values party and the rest of us should just tell you to Shut up about it!

    • 7 votes
    #1.56 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:05 AM EST
    Daniel A. Hallo

    http://TPisFORtheBATHROOM101.newsvine.com/   ;grammar are atrocious

    How do you spell WTF?

    Don’t like little keyboards in taxi’s. You're a rude a crass little diction Nazi aren’t you.

    Is this like I’m christian, but not the RIGHT kind of Christian BS>>>•¿•

    • 4 votes
    #1.57 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:00 AM EST
    TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

    Okayyy,daniel,y'all like to quote partial sentences and hack them in order to make you feel superior..I guess. Try the entire sentence.

    Daniel #1.41. 3 universities and 2 colleges,yet your spelling and grammar are atrocious,at least in that comment.

    It makes more sense now. I simply asked about your #1.41,that's all.

    Not at the better schools it’s not! As it is left up to the proffesors to set criteria as to how papers are sited I have never taken an academic course that allowed wiki as a source, ever. And I’ve studied to 3 colleges and two universities.

    Conservatives tend to be anti-intellectual and so are more likely to conform to the indoctrination of then use higher levels of thinking or critical thought.

    I would like to know what you see in this. For one,I see an entire quote. For another,3 colleges and 2 universities??? Ask for a refund. Ask the professors face-to-face,I would. But hey,if you don't see anything wrong,go with it. Woooo.

    If you want to claim about studying at all those places,I simply would think that you would be knowledgable enough to know spelling/English. I merely asked nicely,but thanks for your take on my lifestyle.

    heilll rrright!!! Dey vill alvays be rrright,but very rarely correct.

    • 2 votes
    #1.58 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:06 AM EST
    Dennis P McCann

    Okayyy,daniel,y'all like to quote partial sentences and hack them in order to make you feel superior..I guess. Try the entire sentence.

    Can we start with that one?

    heilll rrright!!! Dey vill alvays be rrright,but very rarely correct.

    No, that one would be more fun.

    By the way, a space after a comma is a wonderful thing.

    • 4 votes
    #1.59 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:57 AM EST
    TPisFORtheBATHROOM101Deleted
    Daniel A. Hallo

    #1.60

    Oh Damn, I wasn’t an English major…wasted my time in Marketing and design...

    COH, read it.

    This is just the typical "ad hominem abusive. (Insults and damaging facts simply do not undermine what logical support there might be for one's opponent's arguments or assertions)" from the far-Right who have no credibility and think they gain it if they attack everyone else’s.

    These cheap Red Herrings attacks are made to obfuscate the message..

    "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush of September 23, 1800.

    That includes Far-Right Gammer Nazi’s from the fringe.

    • 5 votes
    #1.61 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:59 PM EST
    Dennis P McCann

    With all dat edumication,you would think one would be able to form sentences,spell correctly,and all that.

    Uh-huh.

    As for me,English wudn't meye major,but

    Do I even need to say it?

    • 6 votes
    #1.62 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:28 PM EST
    TPisFORtheBATHROOM101Deleted
    Ms CYPRAH

    TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

    This is NOT a seed about the intricacies of the English language. This trend of conversation has been off topic for long enough.

    I have deleted your last post as no value.

    • 5 votes
    #1.64 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:46 PM EST
    Daniel A. Hallo

    Yes Ms CYPRAH, far to long, and if anyone wishes to see the reason for this off subject grammar attack, or if you ever see this in Newsvine, go up thread and read what truth the Far-Right want to hide by using this tactic of propaganda.

    They pull these dirty-tricks to "turn others off" from particapating in the Article as well, as they may not comment and move on or just stop tracking it as these Red Herrings arguments begin to dominate.

    • 5 votes
    #1.65 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:05 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    I don't like to jump on everything that seems off topic, especially if it is a couple of posts.. But when it goes on without much relevance it attracts my attention.

    • 4 votes
    #1.66 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:11 PM EST
    Daniel A. Hallo

    Yes, and being as fair and honest as you naturally are, and as most are, this used against us and seen as weakness to the Far-Right predators who are and always have been a minority who have a weaker moral sense, yet claim they are the Chosen and have the Divine Right to Rule… But it's these qualities that make us stronger.

    • 3 votes
    #1.67 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:19 PM EST
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    Ripley8

    number 7 made me laugh !

    I like this one ...

    an oldie but a goodie ...

    "A Day in the Life of Joe Republican"

    Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

    All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

    Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

    Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

    Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

    Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time. ( till Phil Gramm came along with deregulation and Bush Congress ignored it )

    Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican's would still be sitting in the dark)

    He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.
    He turns on a radio talk show, the host's keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".

    • 76 votes
    #2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:38 AM EST
    Lola-984242

    I love it!!!!!!!!

    • 23 votes
    #2.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:13 AM EST
    ERich-356044

    Those dumb liberals.... making life better for all!

    :)

    LOVE both the article and Joe's story!!!!

    :)

    • 30 votes
    #2.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:40 AM EST
    Lola-984242

    Those dumb liberals.... making life better for all!

    What are they thinking?!?!??!?

    • 21 votes
    #2.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:05 PM EST
    deepwater don

    Joes' story tells it all. No need for any other examples.

    • 20 votes
    #2.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST
    cowboygrandpa

    Ripley:

    Classical non thinking conservatives pictured clearly in that. Thanks.

    :~));~))

    • 23 votes
    #2.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:18 PM EST
    trekie70

    This should be required reading for every GOTPer prior to their being allowed to cast their vote.

    • 23 votes
    #2.6 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:33 PM EST
    Bob Nelson.

    Great story!

    It is absolutely true.

    • 15 votes
    #2.7 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:40 PM EST
    Redder

    Ripley 8, that was great.

    • 12 votes
    #2.8 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:53 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Joes' story tells it all. No need for any other examples.

    Indeed. Excellent narrative!

    • 11 votes
    #2.9 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:08 PM EST
    Jimster

    Love. It. !!!

    I only take exception to #9 - A Republican would never travel to San Francisco for vacation

    Go 49ers!

    • 15 votes
    #2.10 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST
    TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

    ..

    • 6 votes
    #2.11 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:53 PM EST
    hugh b

    rip, i knew you were totally liberal, but you're a commie socialist progressive marxist

    how dare you point out facts, off with your head

    • 11 votes
    #2.12 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:56 PM EST
    CMlawyer

    And I have to take objection to #15. It's not right to label people with sexual preferences that they don't claim for themselves. The rest, I buy right into. As I do Joe's story.

    • 6 votes
    #2.13 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:57 PM EST
    MJL-3

    This is wonderful, Love it, Laughed so hard :)

    • 15 votes
    #2.14 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:45 PM EST
    pinkcap

    Great non-fiction story!

    • 8 votes
    #2.15 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:36 PM EST
    Don Overton

    Everything is fantasy in right wing land.

    • 11 votes
    #2.16 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:39 PM EST
    echo82

    thanks for posting this! should be required reading for my conservative friends and family...

    • 6 votes
    #2.17 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:34 AM EST
    Daniel A. Hallo

    Ms CYPRAH knows she’s good. :)

    • 6 votes
    #2.18 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:11 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Aaaawwww, thank you, Dan, that's a nice reinforcement! (*Afro getting bigger and bigger*) :o)

    • 5 votes
    #2.19 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:19 PM EST
    Reply
    GApeach-922415

    7: You believe Bill Clinton was responsible for Osama bin Laden’s escape ten years ago, but thankfully George W. Bush caught up with him and killed him in Pakistan.

    LOL...Too funny!

    21: You believe America is a God fearing country, and that the Almighty protects those who believe just as you do. But it’s never crossed your mind that the majority of tornados, hurricanes and floods all occur in the Bible Belt.

    AMEN!!!

    • 34 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:14 AM EST
    ERich-356044

    21 is a LOL!!!

    • 14 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:41 AM EST
    Mary-471639

    Yeah, 21 gets a 2 thumbs up from Mary and Mary.

    • 16 votes
    #3.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:59 AM EST
    Jim-Evolu

    It's all spot on...

    • 8 votes
    #3.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:11 PM EST
    Reply
    gmc360

    23: You applaud Ronald Reagan for single-handedly winning the Cold War, yet believe the communist threat is alive and well in America (no extra points for holding two thoughts in your head at the same time on this one, sorry).

    • 34 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:40 AM EST
    redsfan

    So many of these are right on target...but the one that probably irritates me the most...

    13: You accuse president Obama of raising your taxes to the highest point ever, even though they’re lower today than at any time since 1950.

    • 34 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:41 AM EST
    freetacosDeleted
    Arlene Tognetti

    redsfan

    Agree on your pick

    Amen to that!

    • 12 votes
    #5.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:10 PM EST
    Reply
    Dani-976192

    Ah, I do love the smell of organic fertilizer in the morning.........not.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#6 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:20 AM EST
    freetacosDeleted
    Don Overton

    Ah, I do love the smell of organic fertilizer in the morning.........not.

    Then why turn on Fox News, go to WND and NewsMax, listen to Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity and have idols like Bachmann and Palin

    • 22 votes
    #6.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:46 AM EST
    Thinknaboutit

    Then why turn on Fox News, go to WND and NewsMax, listen to Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity and have idols like Bachmann and Palin

    I'm not sure how you consider any of that artificial crap to be organic, it's all toxic.

    • 10 votes
    #6.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:06 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Ah, I do love the smell of organic fertilizer in the morning.........not.

    Spoken like the true person in denial with nothing to say! :o(

    • 14 votes
    #6.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:10 PM EST
    Jimster

    Ah, I do love the smell of organic fertilizer in the morning.........not.

    Sniff away. You must listen to FOX & Fertilizer in the morning

    Me? I prefer the smell of coffee, bacon, and eggs

    • 12 votes
    #6.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:23 PM EST
    Reply
    Don Overton

    Wonderful find. So true.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#7 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:27 AM EST
    YELLOW DOG D.

    I was laughing at the good sarcasm and then I realized, damn, they are all true!

    Great seed, Ms. Cyprah!

    • 18 votes
    Reply#8 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:28 AM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Thank you, Yellow Dog. They made laugh so much, I had to share them!

    • 13 votes
    #8.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:11 PM EST
    Jumpmaster82

    You know you provide the belivers another opportunity to deny the truth! This will stir them into another frenzy.

    • 2 votes
    #8.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:57 AM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    LOL..Jumpmaster!

    • 3 votes
    #8.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:20 PM EST
    Reply
    ERich-356044

    9: It angers you that you can’t communicate with the Mexican busboy at your local Olive Garden, but when you took a vacation to San Francisco’s Chinatown, you thought it’s quaint that so many Chinese-Americans are holding fast to their traditional language. Because that’s America!

    My personal favorite!

    • 19 votes
    Reply#9 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:44 AM EST
    redsfan

    That is another excellent hypocrisy...I agree...

    • 18 votes
    #9.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:15 PM EST
    Reply
    katt-529866

    24: If you believe in the Bible Belt , that you should love thy neighbor as thyself , and send the most Religous leaders of your party from S.C. to Texas to pick who should be your candidate and they choose Rick Santorum and you shout Yeah !!!!

    • 11 votes
    Reply#10 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST
    Mary-471639

    Ouch, I feel Perrys pain........not really.

    • 9 votes
    #10.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:02 PM EST
    Jimster

    Apparently the bible-belt is now holding up magic-underwear.

    • 13 votes
    #10.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:26 PM EST
    skeptic-227981

    Yup, Jimster, they're just one big wedgie. :)

    • 7 votes
    #10.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:12 PM EST
    Jimster

    Yes, a magic one.

    • 7 votes
    #10.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:15 PM EST
    Reply
    webslinger

    Awesome list - and so true.

    I'm working on one about illegal immigrants/building stuff/picking produce/taking American jobs/keeping prices low/Walmart, etc but I can't tie it all together.....can someone help a brother out?

    • 9 votes
    Reply#11 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:13 PM EST
    Lola-Ohio

    How about, You know you're a Republican when you fire your cheap illegal landscapers, because, afterall, I am running for office, for heaven's sake.

    • 2 votes
    #11.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:59 PM EST
    webslinger

    something like that :-)

    Of course I was trying to formulate something dealing with the whining about illegals "taking our jobs" while thanking Jesus and Ronald Reagan for the existence of WalMart and cheap produce.....Or how Rick Perry created x amount of jobs and is so awesome (except so many of the jobs in Texas are done by illegals) - something along those lines.

    • 2 votes
    #11.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:14 PM EST
    Lola-Ohio

    web, thought this captured the hypocracy of Romney and the Republican party, but you're right, it probably does need to be more blatant. He actually admitted this during one of the debates, when I saw it I could not believe it.

    • 2 votes
    #11.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:32 AM EST
    webslinger

    tis all good my friend!

    • 2 votes
    #11.4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:50 AM EST
    Reply
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    LOL!

    Brilliant.

    Stay tuned for the Conservative retort....we all know it's coming......

    • 11 votes
    Reply#12 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST
    greg81082-4115372

    You might be a conservative if you believe the economy will turn around if people can spend less of their minimum wage. Also, you remember smiling once in your childhood.

    • 14 votes
    #12.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:43 PM EST
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    You might be a Conservative if the "Good old days" sound wayyyy too Liberal.

    • 19 votes
    #12.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:06 PM EST
    Reply
    Mary-471639

    24. You believe as a "christian nation" that the pathway to "individual responsibility" is to remove the safety nets of the poorest people in your society, to find their own solutions to lack of healthcare, education and social security, and brand them as "lazy" if they fail.

    • 20 votes
    Reply#13 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:24 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Excellent addition, Mary. So true.

    • 10 votes
    #13.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:13 PM EST
    Reply
    Americanpatriot12Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Sure funny. I guess, by definition, a Conservative can also be seen as any person who believes Obama is in the race for America's WORST President Ever! A "dishonor" shared with Lyndon B. Johnson, William T. Clinton and George W. Bush.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#14 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:26 PM EST
    webslinger

    har har har....you funny.....care to contribute anything of substance or are you just going to engage in drive-by trolling?

    • 10 votes
    #14.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:36 PM EST
    Randy McMurphy

    You might be a conservative if you thin we had a president named William T. Clinton....

    • 21 votes
    #14.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:02 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    LOL..Randy!! Cracking up here! :o)

    • 9 votes
    #14.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST
    Americanpatriot12

    Glad my typo made your respective days! But then what would one expect from Liberals -- their "substance" being more than a tad vaporous. Not sure about you folks -- me, I'm looking forward to Election Day. When a lot of voting citizens decide ANYONE would have to be better than B.H.O.

    • 1 vote
    #14.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:04 PM EST
    webslinger

    And what will you do when you wake up from that dream? Do you honestly think Romney or Santorum or Paul or Perry will be winning? Time to wake up buddy....the real world is waiting for you.

    • 7 votes
    #14.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:37 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Not sure about you folks -- me, I'm looking forward to Election Day.

    Me too, AP, but I don't think we're looking forward to it for the same reasons! :o)

    Do you honestly think Romney or Santorum or Paul or Perry will be winning?

    Indeed, webslinger...but I guess some people prefer to live in fantasy land and blame the messenger instead.

    • 6 votes
    #14.6 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:37 PM EST
    chucky1169469

    You must be conservative if you think conservatives are the only "citizens" who vote. but hey...your governors are trying real hard to make that so.

    • 6 votes
    #14.7 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:53 PM EST
    Reply
    trekie70

    Fantastic list of dead on GOTP beliefs and mantras. I can hardly wait to hear some GOTPers rebutt some of them.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#15 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:36 PM EST
    mossberg

    None seem to be brave enough to try. Funny seed Ms. Cyprah!

    • 7 votes
    #15.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:04 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Thank you, mossberg. Made my day!! :o)

    • 6 votes
    #15.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST
    Reply
    Ann Ryan-4346428

    You might be a conservative if....

    You think that Michelangelo's David should be wearing boxers at the
    least.

    You believe the Constitution states the Christianity is our official
    religion.

    You believed anything on the previous "You might be a liberal if..." list.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#16 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:37 PM EST
    Mary-471639

    You think that Michelangelo's David should be wearing boxers at the
    least.

    LOL...That's worthy of my 2 thumbs up award from Mary and Mary.

    • 9 votes
    #16.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:50 PM EST
    Ann Ryan-4346428

    Posted that one for MS CYPRAH.

    Thought she'd get a kick out of it. :)

    • 6 votes
    #16.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:10 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    I definitely did, Ann! You know me too well! :o)

    • 6 votes
    #16.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:15 PM EST
    Dennis Kemmerer

    Ann Ryan-4346428 wrote:

    You think that Michelangelo's David should be wearing boxers at the least.

    That's Ashcroft Syndrome (named after former U.S. Attorney General John "Cover That Tit" Ashcroft. :)

    • 10 votes
    #16.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:22 PM EST
    Buono Cane

    remember when Bush's Attorney General had to cover up the justus dept statues, too funny

    • 1 vote
    #16.5 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:03 AM EST
    Reply
    deepwater don

    Not alot of R./Conservative/teapottier/republikkkan feedback showing up here. Does silence mean consent or agreement?

    • 13 votes
    Reply#17 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:42 PM EST
    mossberg

    Bafflement, I think. I'm guessing they don't see the hypocrisy in any of the items. Doublethink training successful.

    • 12 votes
    #17.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:05 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Or they're having real problems trying to rebut them!

    • 9 votes
    #17.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:16 PM EST
    Susan-3647822

    They just can't figure out what's wrong. They are waiting for someone to program the appropriate response. This is what happens to badly progrmmed robots.

    • 13 votes
    #17.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:00 PM EST
    deepwater don

    Or having used TX schoolbooks in elementary school, they either could not read words more than 4 letters, or their attention span played out halfway through #1.

    • 9 votes
    #17.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:05 PM EST
    Angry Left-532262

    They are waiting for the chain email to give them their rebuttals.

    • 18 votes
    #17.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST
    Dr. Truth

    It takes a group of them to come up with one really snarky comment. Otherwise they send out the walking dead to grenade troll.

    • 8 votes
    #17.6 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:39 PM EST
    Freewill

    LOL, I actually thought the seeded article was quite funny. Political stereotyping and sarcasm are among my favorite pastimes. But what REALLY got me laughing is comment #17 and the ensuing commentary. Do you folks ever really listen to yourselves, or read what you have written? Do you really not see the irony in your name-calling, your talk of hypocrisy, badly programmed robots, repetition of chain-email, and grenade trolling?

    I don't think I'm the "conservative" you are fishing for as I find this kind of thing from either "side" to be both amusing and disturbing at the same time. Both "sides" play right into the game with the petty vindictiveness, the gang attacks, and exaggerations and mis-characterizations of the positions of the other on a variety of topics. Doesn't it get old after awhile folks? Aren't you tired of repeating the same extreme party-line crap over and over again? I agree that it can be funny and amusing at times, but at least I try to see the humor on BOTH sides of the coin occasionally.

    There was one point in the seeded article that I did not find funny, and oddly enough it is also a point that illuminates the extent to which some will go to politicize even tragic events and reduce the shattering of loving families to little more than a twisted political football:

    10: You deny that the lunatic who tried to murder Gaby Giffords was a conservative, even though he targeted a Jewish, pro-choice, pro gay rights, Democratic Congresswoman.

    ...and even though he KILLED John Roll a conservative Federal judge, and 5 other people. What is the point of continuing to forget that this irrational monster killed 6 people, and instead continuing to focus on Ms. Gifford's political stances, none of which have been proven to be the reason for the attacks? How does creating or fanning the flames of the angry political climate that one seeks to blame for this tragedy help the victims or their families, or help to calm the environment and avoid such a tragedy in the future? When we take our political differences this far, to the point of not seeing the forest through the trees, then we have really gone too far my friends.

    • 13 votes
    #17.7 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:53 AM EST
    Iceman25-835270

    ...and even though he KILLED John Roll a conservative Federal judge, and 5 other people.

    Freewill, this is what you call an inconvenient truth, to use a line from a liberal big shot. The other five don't fit into their narrative, so they are conveniently left out of the conversation.

    As for the rest of it, I say let them have fun in their little circle jerk.

    • 4 votes
    #17.8 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM EST
    Daniel A. Hallo

    As for the rest of it, I say let them have fun in their little circle jerk.

    The is Far-Right F’right'nese for "we have nothing so lets run away."

    • 7 votes
    #17.9 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:42 PM EST
    Reply
    Bob Nelson.

    Good fun! Thanks.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#18 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:42 PM EST
    agagnu

    Just a thought, Obama has been reaching across the aisle being in the middle of the isle anyway. Maybe he should just declare himself a conservative, wink wink, that will get the dumb-me-down voting muslim instead of mormon.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#19 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:44 PM EST
    thepipster

    LOL best morning read in ages. Thanks, MsCyprah!

    • 5 votes
    Reply#20 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:46 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Thanks for appreciating it, thepipster! Delighted to be a friend too. :o)

    • 4 votes
    #20.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:17 PM EST
    Reply
    Boudicea

    Didn't make it past #1 - It's Bush's fault! LOL!!!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#21 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:50 PM EST
    Randy McMurphy

    Wow you cons are really self conscious about Dubya Bush, aren't you? No one is blaming him for anything here , merely stating the fact that he was the most absentee president we have had in modern history. As for his faults, he was incompetent during vacation as he was "on the job".

    • 13 votes
    #21.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:07 PM EST
    Boudicea

    Funny thing is, I'm NOT a conservative. Just wondering why it is apparently a "requirement" of liberals to invoke Bush's name in EVERY seed or article.

    P.S. - he WAS incompetent

    • 6 votes
    #21.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:01 PM EST
    Randy McMurphy

    Oh right kjmgirl ...I'm sorry I meant embarassed conservative...you sure do tow the conservative line , for someone who isn't, else why would the mere mention of our former president send you in a tizzy. I don't care what you call yourself you vote them in wether you hold your nose or not...

    • 13 votes
    #21.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:16 PM EST
    hugh b

    yes, and Reagan never, ever, comes up in a conversation with Republicants...

    Historical references are only applicable when it supports mythology.

    • 9 votes
    #21.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:08 PM EST
    Lola-Ohio

    God, liberals usually invoke Cheney, conservatives are the only ones that thought Bush was the real President.

    • 10 votes
    #21.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST
    MJL-3

    Randy McMurphy

    Oh right kjmgirl ...I'm sorry I meant embarassed conservative...you sure do tow the conservative line , for someone who isn't, else why would the mere mention of our former president send you in a tizzy. I don't care what you call yourself you vote them in wether you hold your nose or not...

    LMAO, be careful Randy, you called her by her old name and she'll think you are TJG.

    She accused me of being her. LMAO

    • 7 votes
    #21.6 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:46 PM EST
    Lola-Ohio

    correction to my post, it should be real decider.

    • 1 vote
    #21.7 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:51 PM EST
    agagnu

    I think Cheney when bush props up, the puppet joker on string that flipped around the punch and Judy show.

    • 4 votes
    #21.8 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:47 AM EST
    Reply
    Ms CYPRAH

    Joes' story tells it all. No need for any other examples.

    Indeed. Excellent narrative!

    • 8 votes
    Reply#22 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:07 PM EST
    bob-1478320

    you might be a liberal if you are so afraid of electing a vice president that is incompetent and unqualified because she would be a heartbeat away from the presidency that you elect an equally incompetent,unqualified person as president-not a heartbeat away but the one with the heartbeat.The best part? he has proven how incompetent and unqualified he really was and still is.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#23 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    That's all right, bob. You're entitled to your opinion too.:o)

    • 9 votes
    #23.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:32 PM EST
    Connie says

    Bob, I'm waiting on you to point out which one of these points about the conservatives that are not true.

    I guess this brings me to

    You might be a conservative if you would rather bash Obama then actually addressing the issues.

    • 23 votes
    #23.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:12 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    You might be a conservative if you would rather bash Obama then actually addressing the issues.

    Amen to that!!

    • 15 votes
    #23.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:14 PM EST
    Lola-Ohio

    Bob, you might be a Republican if you voted for a Republican because you thought they were fiscally conservative, when all the data points otherwise.

    • 9 votes
    #23.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:01 PM EST
    trex-138069

    Bob, for an incompetent and unqualified President, he has managed to clean up a surprising amount of the mess Bush left behind. Stopped the economic free-fall, got Bin Laden, saved the auto industry, which is now on track to be profitable again ans to start adding jobs and contributing taxes to the economy - oh, sorry, am I hurting your feelings?

    • 6 votes
    #23.5 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:34 PM EST
    agagnu

    Bob, I smell the same gas foxfart emits. Huntsman has just stepped down and he and Obama are the only two who remind people that it's not republican it's not democrat it's our Country we must focus on. Stand back and look at America the way the rest of the world see us, the republican party in congress is a disaster. The worrying part is the rest of the world rubs their hands in glee.

    • 6 votes
    #23.6 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:56 AM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Great comment, agagnu, that sums it up!

    Huntsman has just stepped down and he and Obama are the only two who remind people that it's not republican it's not democrat it's our Country we must focus on.

    Amen to that!

    • 3 votes
    #23.7 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:26 PM EST
    Reply
    Daniel A. Hallo

    "The advance of liberalism... [encourages] the hope that the human mind will some day get back to the freedom it enjoyed two thousand years ago." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1821.

    • 12 votes
    Reply#24 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM EST
    bob-1478320

    I think Jefferson meant to say 2 Million years

      #24.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:24 PM EST
      Lola-Ohio

      So, Jefferson thought man had been around for at least 2 million years, Bob?

      • 8 votes
      #24.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:55 PM EST
      Daniel A. Hallo

      Jefferson was a genius, no doubt, but didn’t know everything and was mistaken on many things but that’s just stupid.

      • 5 votes
      #24.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:15 PM EST
      Lola-Ohio

      Daniel, just another Republican putting spin on what the founder's really meant. Hoping for a word salad and a rewriting of the Constitution when it don't fit their agenda. Wordsmithing is the Republican way, and it works, any platform of ideas that sells pollution by the tonage has really got it going on, eh?

      • 4 votes
      #24.4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM EST
      notsojingo

      Always a rewrite, or is that reright?

        #24.5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:57 AM EST
        Daniel A. Hallo

        They always spin, thats why they’re dizzy.

        "As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality." George Washington, [1790]

        America was founded by Liberals in a Western Spring rebellion against a small government Conservative King.

        • 3 votes
        #24.6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 10:33 AM EST
        Reply
        bob-1478320

        I think it is great there is a place like the vine where liberal dems can gather,laugh at each other's jokes and pat each other on the back for their wit and widsom since they never get that opportunity or feedback in the real world

        • 2 votes
        Reply#25 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:26 PM EST
        Ms CYPRAH

        I think it is great there is a place like the vine where liberal dems can gather,laugh at each other's jokes

        I think it is great there is a place like the vine where conservative repubs can gather,laugh at each other's jokes

        I've corrected it for you, because EVERYONE can laugh and gather on Newsvine and share each other's jokes, etc. It's not limited to any one group. Playing the martyr doesn't really help you, bob.

        • 21 votes
        #25.1 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:36 PM EST
        Thinknaboutit

        since they never get that opportunity or feedback in the real world

        That reminds me of how clueless my neighbor is. He constantly preaches faux propaganda to everyone he comes in contact with, and we all just nod and smile. He tells me constantly how happy he is to live in such a "conservative" state in a "conservative" city and have such "conservative" neighbors. You see, most of us liberals are usually content with allowing idiots to wallow in their idiocy to avoid a public confrontation. We don't have a constant need to stick our fingers in faces and ridicule. But whenever my neighbor sulks off to his basement/bunker to refit his tinfoil beanie, the laughter from the community is deafening.

        • 22 votes
        #25.2 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST
        webslinger

        Most liberals I know are also content to remain silent, or correct the conservative BS when it is spewed....that said, almost every conservative I know feels the need to throw their BS in everyone's face - be it their religion, or an insult of your/someone else's religion/lack thereof, their racism, their homophobia, etc, etc, etc.

        Just last night I was at a friend's house, and one of her friends was going on and on about how Obama is the Antichrist and how he's destroying America and Texas. Here in very red Williamson County, TX, where there isn't a Democrat in sight (when it comes to elected positions) it's all Obama's fault and not the Republicans at all......ignorance and blind hatred are bliss I guess.

        • 24 votes
        #25.3 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:08 PM EST
        krounded

        I think it is great there is a place like the vine where liberal dems can gather,laugh at each other's jokes and pat each other on the back for their wit and widsom since they never get that opportunity or feedback in the real world

        There is no litmus test to join Newsvine. Anyone can participate. I dare say it would be sort of boring without Conservatives.

        Why there are not more Conservatives on Newsvine speaks more to the tolerance level of Conservatives than it does the jovial nature of Liberals.

        • 18 votes
        #25.4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:12 PM EST
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