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Health Care Bill: Are you pleased that it's been passed? (Poll)

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Do you feel good about the passing of the Health Care Bill?

Yes, very excited. A new dawn.
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A new significant moment for the American history books has just occurred: the new Health Care Bill has been passed by Congress, notable for the fact that only one Republican voted for it, all the others blithely ignoring what their voters and constituents might have wanted.

For the many people who had no health insurance, this is a landmark time. For those who had to die to bring this about, it is a sobering, overdue, moment, and for someone like me who has always enjoyed one of the best health systems in the world, without ever having to worry about the cost, I can appreciate the new path America is just about to take and wish it well.

but how do you feel about this landmark bill? Are you happy about?

What will it mean to you, personally? Let's have it.

(Thank you for the usual courtesies and mature discussion.)

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A few years down the line, when more accessible health coverage translates into greater emotional well being and even more productivity in the workplace, many Americans will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about and be thankful for what happened yesterday.

A truly landmark moment which will begin the country's process of rebuilding itself.

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Reply#1 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 8:19 AM EST
{"commentId":10682160,"authorDomain":"Jake-413451"}
all the others blithely ignoring what their voters and constituents might have wanted.

Wow, that would be difficult to be true since the majority of Americans said they would rather this bill not be passed. (the survey question for those who fear it was a loaded question, it was surprisingly straight forward)

Maybe you meant the democrats and the one republican were ignoring what their constituents wanted. Since the latest gallup poll has the majority of voters saying they don't think its the government responsibility to ensure they have health insurance. (not even gonna discuss the entitlement mentality at work there).

But even when that poll showed the other result, and since the polls inception, the public has supported the current system over replacement with a government run option.

Even when they did support it they were evenly split as to what improvement it might make. Heck a majority thought it would make no difference or make their own situation worse.

In fact, to be honest here, since the public was evenly split on it (39% opposed to 25% supporting) more democrats had to assume how their constituents wanted, and even then they probably missed the mark given the latest polling results.

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    #1.1 - Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:11 PM EST
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    {"commentId":10556062,"authorDomain":"bjmick53"}

    the bill has passed the house, we have step one.

    that's one step closer to taking care of all of our people. maybe some day soon, the aged and poor won't have to decide between medicine and food this month.

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    Reply#2 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 8:44 AM EST
    {"commentId":10562425,"authorDomain":"mscyprah"}
    that's one step closer to taking care of all of our people. maybe some day soon, the aged and poor won't have to decide between medicine and food this month.

    Indeed, beej. A great hope!

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    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 3:57 PM EST
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    {"commentId":10556251,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

    The bill stinks and all those whoring corporate democrats who gave in to the insurance industry as a bail out will regret their whoring for their corporate lobbyists. The American people will still find out that millions are left out, that much of it won't go int effect until several years, and that the premiums, mandated, are worthless coverage, which still will bankrupt most Americans, thanks to the misleadership of Obama, Max Baucus, Pelosi, who lied to us about a transparent process, open process, about considering all options, especially the best options, Single payer, Medicare for all.

    Americans should walk out massively on this horrendous corrupt, expensive bill, and go on national strikes against both class whoring/class thuggish corporate parties, until they get real reform, not corporate whores for representation. NATIONAL STRIKE FOR REAL HEALTH CARE, NATIONAL STRIKE FOR AN END TO IMPERIAL WARS, NATIONAL STRIKE FOR AN END TO CRIMINAL BAIL OUTS FOR WALL STREET, AND NATIONAL STRIKE AGAINST BOTH CLASS THUGGISH PARTIES, NATIONAL STRIKE AGAINST OBAMA'S FASCIST POLICE LAWS AND REFUSAL TO ENFORCE LAWS, INTERNATIONAL LAWS AGAINST WAR CRIMES BOTH IN ISRAEL AND IN AMERICA. We need our own social parties, social ideology, social agenda, social reforms to challange corporate fascism.

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    Reply#3 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 9:01 AM EST
    {"commentId":10562440,"authorDomain":"mscyprah"}
    The American people will still find out that millions are left out, that much of it won't go int effect until several years, and that the premiums, mandated, are worthless coverage

    I won't share your pessimism, eric. No one can predict the future no matter how much they might think they have the answers. I prefer to wait and see!

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    #3.1 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 3:59 PM EST
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    {"commentId":10556363,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

    Kucinich: Why I Voted NO

    (Unlike Obama, who betrays the people, lies to the people, whores for Wall Street and Empire, We have principled leaders---E.A.)

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Kucinich-Why-I-Voted-NO-by-Dennis-Kucinich-091108-705.html

    excerpt:

    Washington D.C. (November 7, 2009) – After voting against H.R. 3962 - Affordable Health Care for America Act, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today made the following statement:

    “We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.

    “Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care. Because their massive bureaucracy avoids paying bills so effectively, they force hospitals and doctors to hire their own bureaucracy to fight the insurance companies to avoid getting stuck with an unfair share of the bills. The result is that since 1970, the number of physicians has increased by less than 200% while the number of administrators has increased by 3000%. It is no wonder that 31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. is health insurance policies that do not cover you when you get sick.



    “But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies — a bailout under a blue cross."

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    Reply#4 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 9:11 AM EST
    {"commentId":10564388,"authorDomain":"alysmum"}

    I was pleased to see some forward movement coming out of Congress on something. I've grown weary of the Dems looking to the Repubs for bipartisan support and the Repubs being the party of no. Enough already from both sides of the aisle.

    I'm in favor of legislation that will provide more accessible health care to my fellow citizens. My health care insurance is excellent. I'd like to see that be the case with more people.

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 6:37 PM EST
    {"commentId":10568151,"authorDomain":"wayndor"}

    I too, am glad to see congress, at last, do something. This issue has been a very long, drawnout journey into the world of how the Dems and Reps, during this administration, will probably never get along. Forget bipartisanship. If I were Obama, I would pull a G.W. Bush and declare, "I'm the decider, what I say goes!" How did Bush get away with so much with a Democrat congress during his last few years in office?

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    Reply#6 - Sun Nov 8, 2009 11:50 PM EST
    {"commentId":10569048,"authorDomain":"mtmeyer1"}

    Ms Cyprah, yet another wonderful article! I enjoy all of your articles-- even if I don't comment, I vote!

    Take care, my friend--

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    Reply#7 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:42 AM EST
    {"commentId":10590085,"authorDomain":"mscyprah"}

    Thanks for passing by, Dowser, with such warming affirmation. Hope your day is wonderful too!

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    #7.1 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:58 AM EST
    {"commentId":10595410,"authorDomain":"mtmeyer1"}

    (((((((((((Ms Cyprah))))))))))))

    take care, please--

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    #7.2 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:12 PM EST
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    {"commentId":10574900,"authorDomain":"littlereddog"}

    I'm pleased with the passing of the bill, though it is far from perfect. This is just step one of the process, but, at least it's progress in the right direction. The preexisting condition clauses in the bill were quite important to me - especially as I age and rack up a plethora of various maladies. It will be interesting how this plays out in the Senate. Baby steps.

    Old Michele Bachmann must be looking like she's sucking on lemons this morning! That constipated look will suit her.

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    Reply#8 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:33 PM EST
    {"commentId":10590094,"authorDomain":"mscyprah"}
    Old Michele Bachmann must be looking like she's sucking on lemons this morning! That constipated look will suit her.

    The image this creates is priceless! :o)

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    #8.1 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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    {"commentId":10578033,"authorDomain":"mrmajek"}

    I fully understand Eric's outrage, but his emotion needs to be tempered with some reality. No matter what the issue is there is bound to be massive retardation and party politics involved. "For whatever reason" this was one of those things that we, the people, had to make them take a first step on. Once its in there, they will be jockeying on which party can make it better. And 20yrs from now, if not 20mins from now, they will both be standing up proud to say they did it by their will alone for our good will.--That is just how it is, until we elect some people who follow what they were elected for, and not who pays their advertising bills.

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    Reply#9 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:53 PM EST
    {"commentId":10581810,"authorDomain":"alysmum"}

    Ms. Cyprah,

    I know I've said this before, but it's been a while so I wanted to say again how much I love your articles. And your polls. You're a breath of fresh air around here. You make us think. You entertain. You inspire. And your polls get people involved and engaged. You're great!

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    Reply#10 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:31 PM EST
    {"commentId":10590126,"authorDomain":"mscyprah"}

    Sidney, what can I say to that? I am just speechless from your kind comment.

    Thank you so much, especially for stopping by regularly to appreciate them. My articles can be the greatest but without discerning readers like yourself to utilise them, their value would be lessened. So we are all in this together! :o)

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    #10.1 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:05 AM EST
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    {"commentId":10629546,"authorDomain":"PaddyClarke"}
    all the others blithely ignoring what their voters and constituents might have wanted.

    How do you know this ? Have you considered that maybe the Democrats who voted yes may have voted so against their constituents' wish ? Any chance that's a possibility too ??

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    Reply#11 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:04 PM EST
    {"commentId":10633561,"authorDomain":"mscyprah"}
    Have you considered that maybe the Democrats who voted yes may have voted so against their constituents' wish ? Any chance that's a possibility too ??

    Yes, it is, I wouldn't deny that, thank you.

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    #11.1 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:17 AM EST
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