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The Best Thing Hillary Clinton Could do For March 4th

Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:23 AM EST
politics, white-house, barack-obama, election, president, texas, hillary-clinton, ohio, primaries
By Ms CYPRAH
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Hillary Clinton has already lost, even though she is pinning her hopes on Texas and Ohio. The problem with using a specific marker for anything important is that there tends to be no Plan B, if the original aim does not go to plan. Hillary did not begin to lose with the primaries in 2008, she began to lose much earlier than that, in 2007, in fact, and the best thing she could do for her dignity and the Democratic Party is to gracefully concede on March 3rd with her dignity intact. Otherwise, it could prove rather humiliating for her on the big day.

Hillary began the slippery slide to being a loser in 2007 with the following actions:

1. Her early and sustained lead lulled her into a false sense of security where she completely underestimated her opponent. Underdogs can be lethal because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain, especially the glory of competing and besting the opposition, the one expected to win. That carries such a sweet smell of success for the challenger. As long as she was in the lead, she couldn't take that for granted. But she did, very often, even apparently telling friends on the phone at every opportunity, "When I'm in the White House...."

Really? It was that certain, eh? Wow!

Notice not a humble 'if', or a 'maybe', but a 'when'. That kind of arrogance tempts fate. Fate was obviously tempted and reacted with a vengeance. Politics is such a transient pastime because its success depends on the fickleness of the public. They do not like people who take their votes for granted or ungracious people who cannot even thank supporters or the opponent when they win. She clearly thought that her lead was invincible and could not be breached and is paying for that arrogance now.

2. Like many political pundits in the country, and commentators here on the Vine, people had only their old mindsets to go on, the same old perspectives to use to judge the new election. But we cannot move into a technological age where the rules are different and use the same old narrow mindsets to serve new purposes. Barack Obama was written off before he even began his campaign, almost like a court jester to Hillary's serious purpose. To those knowledgeable commentators, he had not a hope in hell of beating the Clinton darling who had so much 'experience' and pedigree. Her team certainly didn't give him any chance of beating her either, otherwise she would have treated him with much more caution and respect from the very beginning.

Barack Obama is now regarded as 'a phenomenon' by members of her team, but it took a lot of beatings for them to concede that of him. I mentioned last year in another article (Four Key Reasons...) that Obama was like the Google juggernaut that no one could actually see approaching until it was flattening them, and that is what has happened to Hillary Clinton. He had to almost run her over before she acknowledged his presence. When there is massive change afoot, the last people who will see it are those with closed minds, insecurity in their usual comfort zones and fear of the future. They believe ignoring it, belittling it, shutting it out or speaking of it in a derogatory manner will keep the change away, keep them safe in their usual hideaways. But we can never ignore change when its time has come and America itself could not have continued the way it has been over the past 8 years. A change had to come at some point, and this is it.

3. The Man himself. Hillary and her team totally underestimated the charismatic and appealing power and sheer determination of Barack Obama. Alarm bells should have rung out when he started getting all those donations from people being excited by his presence and vision. People don't support losers. They saw something amazing in him and were willing to give their hard earned dollars to get him up there. He is a formidable person who, whether one loves or hates him, has to be admired for his sheer tenacity, bravado and messages of hope. Whether Barack is successful in the white House or not is not the real point here. He would have acted as a catalyst to get people to begin the self-reviewing process to make the USA a much better place because they can never be the same again after this year's elections. A lot of old mindsets would have been replaced as people gradually begin to realise the age they are in and what is now required to go forward. All of those cosy cobwebs would have been blown away in the process.

Yes, Hillary should do the honourable thing and concede defeat on March 3rd, with head held high. But I hope she doesn't because then her supporters might think she 'helped' Barack to win. By taking it to the bitter end, Barack will leave no doubt as to the force he now has behind him to confirm that change. It should be very interesting to see what happens in Ohio and Texas and many people are waiting with bated breaths. Never have two states had so much riding on them!

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Ms CYPRAH

Alarm bells should have rung out when he started getting all those donations from people being excited by his presence and vision. People don't support losers. They saw something amazing in him and were willing to give their hard earned dollars to get him up there. He is a formidable person who, whether one loves or hates him, has to be admired for his sheer tenacity, bravado and messages of hope.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:24 AM EST
CoryPerry

Even if by some strange chance Barack does not win the nomination, he has truly changed my outlook on politics forever. He has given me reason to believe that if you want change enough, you can change things to better yourself, your country, and the world.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:03 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

He has given me reason to believe that if you want change enough, you can change things to better yourself, your country, and the world.

Yes, I agree with that because Barack has simply shown what is possible. It is the people who have moved it along by giving their support.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:42 PM EST
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njb

I wish both Clintons would just go away.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:30 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

I think the Clintons will be hanging around for a while until the actual election because America will be in a state of shock at the outcome and those Clintons will be looking for excuses for their defeat. There will be lots of analysis and counter analyses, recriminations and disbelief, especially if Barack gets that nomination. Change tends to encourage resistance and what is happening in this election is no different from any other major change. The aftermath will be electric.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:45 PM EST
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TokyoAlf

you should be ashamed of yourself. you are contributing to all the unfair media bias against Hillary and sabotaging the only chance that a woman will have to become President of our country within our lifetime- not just any woman but a woman that is more qualified and more experienced that any other candidate in recent history. Obama is all fluff. Presence and vision are not enough. This is a critical time in our nation. We need a strong candidate offering concrete solutions to the myriad of tremendous problems that we will inherit from the BUSH administration. The ONLY candidate that has offered realistic solutions is HILLARY CLINTON. Shame on your Ms. CYPRAH!

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:04 PM EST
Ms CYPRAH

you should be ashamed of yourself. you are contributing to all the unfair media bias against Hillary and sabotaging the only chance that a woman will have to become President of our country within our lifetime- not just any woman but a woman that is more qualified and more experienced that any other candidate in recent history.

I am not sure how I am doing that, TokyoAlf, when it is the people themselves who have sabotaged Hillary's chances of getting into the White House. If she were as 'experienced' and 'qualified' as you make out, she would be leading still. Obviously, many people don't agree with you. Methinks it is the fashion to shoot the messenger. I am merely a commentator with my own views, as is everyone else who chooses to comment on what is happening. If it makes you feel good to find a scapegoat for hillary's current ills, please feel free and be my guest. But it will not change what is happening out there. Only the people can do that.

As to Clinton being 'the only chance' of a woman president in your lifetime, that is your perception and you are entitled to it, but how sad for such little faith in women. Four years is a long time in politics and the one legacy that Clinton might actually leave with her candidacy is to encourage more women to fight future races. So you ain't seen nothing yet, as they say. I believe the presidency will change forever from 2008 so that it is no longer an automatic white male preserve but one that truly reflects the makeup of that society.

Shame on your Ms. CYPRAH!

I have nothing to be ashamed of, except expressing my own opinion on a public forum for such opinions. Pity you would seek to curtail my free speech, yet want your views to be acknowledged and accepted as the 'right' ones.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:56 PM EST
Roy Batty

the only chance that a woman will have to become President of our country within our lifetime

Thats rather pessimistic, isn't it?

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:34 PM EST
The Dagda

There's plenty of better women fit to be president. Gov. Napolitano of Arizona, Gov. Gregoire of Washington, Gov. Granholm of Michigan, Gov. Sebelius of Kansas are four off the top of my head. On the Republican side, well, let's be blunt, the Republicans aren't going to be president again for some time now. Maybe there's a 6-year-old girl in Utah who may one day be ready, though.

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:05 PM EST
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jfxgillis

Ms. C:

See? More cultural disconnect.

This advice is just dumb, and no American candidate in her position would ever take it, nor should they. In America, you play to the whistle. Teams that do win credit even in losses. Teams that don't get scorn added to the humilation of losing.

Not like Soccer where the team behind by three goals stops pressing with ten minutes left for fear of losing by four goals.

  • 3 votes
#4 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:07 PM EST
Ms CYPRAH

This advice is just dumb, and no American candidate in her position would ever take it, nor should they.

I also greed with you in the article, Jack, that she should go to the end, for whatever reasons, because that will lessen the need for excuses then. It should be interesting to see what actually happens. Thanks for your valuable input.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:00 PM EST
jfxgillis

Ms. C:

Oh, so let me rephrase.

It would be highly DIS-honorable for her to concede on March 3rd.

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:04 PM EST
Ms CYPRAH

Accepted, Jack. So let battle commence! :o)

  • 1 vote
#4.3 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:49 PM EST
jfxgillis

Ms. C:

Okay. Here's one point. I got others, but let's start here.

Screw that "bitter end." This isn't about crushing Hillary. Taking it to the "bitter end" reduces the probability that Obama will win in the Fall if he captures the nomination, or, alternatively, that Hillary would should she stage a comeback.

Primary elections are much, much less Zero-sum than general election contests. I realize you don't have much experience with primaries over there Across the Pond because your party leaders are elected and/or ratified by MPs and and constituency selection committees decide intra-party contests. But in order for Obama to even be competitive in the Fall he has to FIRST win the nomination, THEN reintegrate Hillary's former supporters into a unified party. It would be BENEFICIAL to Obama if Hillary's supporters believed she "helped" Obama win.

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:33 PM EST
Ms CYPRAH

It would be BENEFICIAL to Obama if Hillary's supporters believed she "helped" Obama win.

Yes, I can see that, but how that action would sit with the Obama camp is another matter. Whatever happens from now on it seems there will be a lot of repairing to be done in the party because it would be fractured in some way.

Thanks for your contribution, Jack, it is useful, regardless of any disagreements.

  • 1 vote
#4.5 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:55 PM EST
jfxgillis

Ms C:

In your preferred scenario, it would be incumbent upon the Obama forces to accomodate the Hillary forces.

The degree to which they did not would reflect a failure of leadership on Obama's part.

  • 2 votes
#4.6 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:51 PM EST
The Dagda

It would be highly DIS-honorable for her to concede on March 3rd.

Which is why she should do it this week.

  • 2 votes
#4.7 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:55 PM EST
Doc CeCe

People keep saying that if the Democratic Party doesn't unite basically five minutes ago, we are doomed to lose the White House. In this 2008 election, I don't think anyone can say what will or won't happen based on past elections. This is an election like no other. As much as I want Obama to win, I also want all the states and primaries to feel as if their votes count in the primaries and well as the general election.
Especially if Obama ends up with the nomination, I believe the Democrats can win a general election. He seems to have the come-out-and-vote effect on people. That's what it takes to win an election in my opinion.

  • 3 votes
#4.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:10 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

He seems to have the come-out-and-vote effect on people. That's what it takes to win an election in my opinion.

Yes he does, and you are right that this is like no other election. But people are still treating it as such. I think foregone conclusions are not very good for politics, they breed apathy. So it is good that there is still a major battle going on to galvanise the people to vote for whom they really like.

Thanks for the input, Dem for Obama.

  • 2 votes
#4.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:42 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

In your preferred scenario, it would be incumbent upon the Obama forces to accomodate the Hillary forces.

No t isn't, Jack, because it is Obama who has already won 25 of 35 primaries. If it were the other way round they would have been ridiculing, or wondering about, his continued presence.

  • 1 vote
#4.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:45 AM EST
Dr Know

You clearly do not understand how American politics work. Obama has to heal the wounds of the Clinton supporters. They must vote for him if he is to win. If they just decide to sit out the general election (very likely) he will lose. In England, the accomodations are made behind closed doors because there are more than two parties and everyone has to be nice to each other.

In the past, the party in power has been petty enough to make the other party account for every sheet of copy paper while handing out reams of paper to members of their party with no questions asked.

Unfortunately, American politics has deep seated hatred involved.

  • 1 vote
#4.11 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:56 PM EST
The Dagda

Or he could just tap into the 55 percent of Americans who never vote, bring them to the polls and tell the haters to go hang themselves. Just saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

  • 1 vote
#4.12 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:09 PM EST
Ms CYPRAH

Obama has to heal the wounds of the Clinton supporters. They must vote for him if he is to win.

But I am sure not at any cost to him, Dr Know.

And you have an old fashioned view of British politics, by the way. That's not how it works, even if it might have happened like that in the past. Our election process only lasts 3-6 months, at the most, because the parties choose their main candidates beforehand and the country vote for the candidate they like. The public doesn't have a say in who is selected to represent each party, so you don't have the strange situation of a party fighting among itself publicly with two candidates that the country has to choose between. That's a recipe for division, resentment and frustration.

The key here in the UK is for each party to appear united to the public at general election time to instil the most confidence in voters in their ability to govern because it is the party that matters the most in politics here, not the individuals, and so the party's interests are always paramount. Thus we tend to speak in terms of Labour this or that, or the Conservatives this or that, but not about individuals, unless they are very prominent or relevant.

  • 1 vote
#4.13 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:04 PM EST
Dr Know

You still do not get it. The issues count about 6% of the time. The rest of the time it is about personality and individual attraction. You embrace a party because of a particular outlook. The parties here will change what they say from one audience to the next.

Hillary Clinton believes she deserves to be president. She will destroy her party if she is not nominated. The Democrats always kill each other in the primaries. They give the Republicans all kinds of ammunition to use in the real election.

There are people in the USA that will vote on a single issue. The overall package does not matter. They do not vote for what is best overall, just for them.

  • 2 votes
#4.14 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:44 PM EST
The Dagda

Find them, identify them and convince them the election is in December this year.

    #4.15 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:20 AM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    The parties here will change what they say from one audience to the next.

    I suppose that is the key difference between parties in the USA and UK: here the parties are judged on their loyalty to what they stand for, otherwise they would be regarded as having 'sold out' their members. That's why Labour has always taken pride in being for the working classes and the Conservatives for the middles classes, though the two aspects have merged more in the last decade. We vote for the parties here, not the individual, though a charismatic person can sway a voter to a particular party, like David Cameron is doing for the Conservatives now against Labour's Gordon Brown.

    Thanks for the clarification. :o)

    • 1 vote
    #4.16 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:04 AM EST
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    Ratigan

    I think the deconstructionists will point to the moment where Clinton lost this primary, and it was in 2007 when she got the question about driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. It was an unforced fumble that turned her big leads into small ones and her small leads into losses. It was the moment of duplicitous politics that was so clear an example of two-faced pandering that the voters stopped thinking "who's going to win" and started thinking "who do I want to win?"

    We've seen the answer to the latter since Super Tuesday.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:14 PM EST
    jfxgillis

    Ratigan:

    I agree on that. That moment was the spot of corrision that started eating away Hillary's shield. Here's the backstory, if you missed it:

    In the final moments of the 10/30/07 Debate: Hillary Fumbles….Lisaed Scores!

    • 3 votes
    #5.1 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:29 PM EST
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    TBK

    Well it would appear that she is well on her way to having a nervous break down as her campaign has lost it's way and her recent out of control lashing of Barack.

    I mean she's lashing out at Barack about advertising her position which he confirmed were her positions at least a dozen times during the last debate.

    At the rate in which her campaign mangers are leaving or stepping down and super delegates are switching over, I would say that even I agree with Bill Clinton's assertion; If she fails to win TX and Ohio big, she will not win the nomination.

    Having said that, she will never ever admit her votes on anything have been wrong and she will never ever give in and concede the nomination to Barack.

    I believe she will make it beyond March unfortunately, possibly even June. I hope I'm wrong!

    There's an old saying in Southern Politics, that goes, a dead snake can still produce a poisonous bite.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#6 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:17 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    There's an old saying in Southern Politics, that goes, a dead snake can still produce a poisonous bite.

    Very true, TBK, which is why one can take nothng for granted in this campaign, but I am still doing the cha-cha-cha in anticipation, by the way! :o)

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:51 PM EST
    TBK

    Annnd...one,two...., lovely, what a dance partner you are, hang in there and pace yourself, for November is quite a long ways off, isn't it?

    • 2 votes
    #7.1 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:59 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    That's very true, TBK, I have to remember that nothing is over until the fat lady sings and she is only just warming up! :o)

    • 2 votes
    #7.2 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:35 PM EST
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    njb

    I know this may be a little off topic, but it is related. I think it should be required by law that all candidates make 5 years worth of tax returns public when they file the paperwork for candidacy.

    If they had to do that, would you venture a guess that folks like HRC would not file? McCain has still not made his public.

    If you make your living off my dime, or want to make your living off my dime, show me what you are made of.

    Imagine the questions HRC would have to answer if we could see them? The tone of the race would be vastly different.

    I seeded a link

    http://njb.newsvine.com/_news/2008/02/14/1301741-accounting-101-the-clintons-

    Which partially talks about how they make their money. Given the vast amounts, I would like to know more. And she has the nerve to get nasty over NAFTA?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:51 PM EST
    Ms CYPRAH

    Interesting link, nbj, and the comments too. Thank you.

    • 1 vote
    #8.1 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:57 PM EST
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