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Why Problem Relationships Rarely Recover

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Very few unions recover when they have reached a destructive stage. They simply worsen because people have long elephant memories and find it hard to forgive, or to pretend about their feelings. Instead, they become more entrenched, fearful and accusatory. People whose confidence has been damaged never fully recover because they lack validation from others who matter, particularly the reinforcement of their abilities, looks, sexual prowess and, above all, personal worth – a validation that is often not forthcoming because of their negative state. It is a fact that the lower the confidence and esteem of the persons involved, whether male or female, the more bitter and resentful they remain for years after the break, especially if one partner is already getting on with his/her life and seems happy. Those rejected tend to believe no one else will want them as their self-esteem takes a dive.

As to well meaning suggestions of trying to rekindle love, or to get it back when it has gone, that's a fool's paradise. True passion depends on the chemistry and appeal of the individuals involved. Once attraction has waned, it cannot be manufactured. A deeper love might replace passion, but that is the time a partner unknowingly becomes more like a relative than a lover. Additionally, at traumatic times, many negative factors interfere with our emotions which prevent us from being satisfied with what we have always had. Individual evolution also ensures we are always seeking to try something new, something befitting our current state. The number of people who left their partners, then returned with every intention of making up and 'rekindling' that old love, then left again for good, is enough to fill a huge stadium. There is an interesting reason for this dilemma.

Having affairs or external liaisons does not preclude forgiving and forgetting, or rekindling the home relationship. Starting afresh is always possible, especially if it was a brief fling outside, mainly for diversion or to boost one's esteem. However, for most affairs that last longer, something entirely unexpected happens. The feelings experienced in that new relationship demonstrate significantly what is missing from the home. It then becomes difficult for partners to return to what they had without their expectations being changed in the process. Partners left behind feeling hurt are also unlikely to change their behaviour to accommodate their partners' positive feelings or to be any more loving. In fact, they are likely to be more resentful, mistrustful and unforgiving. This will invariably affect the behaviour of the offending party.

Tense and Accusatory
If the couple manages to stay together, especially if there is no real effort to put the past behind them, one of four situations will ensue. First, one party will continue with illicit affairs to find the kind of love still missing from the home, or, second, both parties will have new lovers. Third, the atmosphere will be so tense and accusatory that the weaker party will grudgingly, and resentfully, accept the status quo or, fourth, the couple will eventually part. So, any rekindling or reconciliation is often a pipe dream because it is human nature to react when we feel wronged. There is also natural emotional evolution, and the 'possession' factor, which are responsible for most break-ups in relationships.

We have to remember that people in troubled relationships gradually lose their anchor, their sense of security, their self-belief, familiar routine, close friends and, in many cases, their home and environment. It is at this time when support from people who are independent, and who genuinely have their interest at heart, is most needed – if only because the underfunded advisory services are stretched to their limits. For example, it took us eight weeks to get an appointment with Relate, the marriage guidance counselors, and we slagged-off each other silly while we anxiously waited. Not surprisingly, the situation worsened. By the time our turn came, he didn't want to know.

Friends or relatives are also the worst ones to consult at this time. They tend to take sides and exacerbate the issues. A different kind of individual with positive energy is thus needed to lift the affected person out of their negative mire because a sense of being rejected and devalued simply drags them down and keeps them feeling bad about themselves. That can have a disastrous effect on future relationships.

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There is an erroneous belief that once a relationship is breaking, or has lost its appeal, it can be mended. But very few relationships recover from that state because the glue that holds relationships together consists of attraction, communication and respect. Once those go, and they usually work in tandem, nothing will keep that couple in a positive groove. The relationship will effectively be a dead one walking!

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Reply#1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:15 AM EST
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People whose confidence has been damaged never fully recover because they lack validation from others who matter, particularly the reinforcement of their abilities, looks, sexual prowess and, above all, personal worth – a validation that is often not forthcoming because of their negative state.

To me, this point is key. Most relationships consist of mutual masturbation--narcissism--and not true adoration, or devotion. Most people are mercenary and calculative in their relationships, looking at them as investments. If the returns don't match expectations, they so readily dumb the "bad investment".

Most people look at these things from a purely mundane, materialistic perspective. To me, relationship is a place to learn and grow--both emotionally *and* spiritually.

If each parties' focus is on themselves, how can things succeed for long? If both parties' focus is on God (The Divine, Transcendence, or whatever you choose to call Him/Her), then there is a prospect for long-term success.

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Reply#3 - Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:40 PM EST
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If each parties' focus is on themselves, how can things succeed for long? If both parties' focus is on God (The Divine, Transcendence, or whatever you choose to call Him/Her), then there is a prospect for long-term success.

I have to disagree with you here, MightyMait. That is too much of a glib solution. I have known devout people who focus on their God or higher power in their relationships, yet still fall apart from one another. When attraction/chemistry goes, it simply fades and can never be manufactured.

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#3.1 - Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:38 PM EST
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When attraction/chemistry goes, it simply fades and can never be manufactured.

To me, attraction/chemistry are superficial motivations to begin with. They may be a fact of life, but we don't need to *choose* to base our relationships on them. If our relationships are based on something substantive and eternal, the chemistry fading will simply mean fewer distractions from what's *really* important.

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#3.2 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:40 PM EST
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the chemistry fading will simply mean fewer distractions from what's *really* important.

I have to disagree here, my friend. Some of the saddest relationships are those of couples who have been together a while and most of the chemistry has gone. They are living quiet lives of desperation with one another, perhaps can't even bear to communicate with each other many times, yet having to live in the same house and keep up the pretence because they fear change, fear the consequences and fear starting over.

There is nothing fulfilling about a relationship devoid of attraction. That's simply going through the motions when life is so short. What's 'really important' is up to the couple, and if they have gone off each other and are perhaps looking outside for some 'fun', because the chemistry is gone, then that will inevitably become really important too!

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#3.3 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:15 PM EST
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There is nothing fulfilling about a relationship devoid of attraction.

"Attraction". On what is that attraction based? If it is based on looks, then it is fleeting, since looks will fade. If it is based on vigor, that too will quickly go.

The name of God, "Krishna", means "all-attractive". All beings are attracted to God, whether they know it or not. Only in mutual attraction to God, can people know lasting happiness in concert.

I know a good number of people who seem (from the outside) to have tame lives in terms of mundane passion. Yet, they seem more content than any couple I've seen in the throes of chemical passion.

Ultimately, as the scriptures have pointed out, these bodies of ours (even if we try our best to keep them as temples of the Divine) are bags of pus, blood, stool and urine. Perhaps some pheromones, make-up, perfume and fancy clothes can make them look more "attractive" temporarily, but, soon enough, these bodies will be rotting in the ground or fed to the fire. What's truly attractive is spirit.

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#3.4 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:48 PM EST
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MightyMait, attraction is not just about physical looks. It also is governed by intellectual and communicative elements and, particularly, emotional alignment. Physicality, though important, is just one part. Most of the people I see and had to deal with are far from contented. They have merely put up with whatever resulted, living lives of quiet desperation, because they have all kinds of fears around changing their lives.

I certainly would not wish to be with anyone I was not attracted to because the way we come together in the first place is based on attraction. We don't just go with any old person. We select our mates according to their appeal when we first meet them, whatever yardstick we are using. Why should that be any different later down the line?

As to the make-up of our bodies, that is all we have been given here and earth, and they are beautiful, made in the image and likeness of our Maker. That body is the only one we have and is incredibly amazing in its operation and system. I could never reduce it to mere

"bags of pus, blood, stool and urine"

, that is simply to focus on the excretory parts of it while we miss out on all the beauty inherent in it. Such a sad, ungrateful way to look at the amazing phenomenon that we are. But you are entitled to your perceptions of life and I am entitled to mine.

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#3.5 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:52 PM EST
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I could never reduce it to mere

"bags of pus, blood, stool and urine"

, that is simply to focus on the excretory parts of it while we miss out on all the beauty inherent in it. Such a sad, ungrateful way to look at the amazing phenomenon that we are. But you are entitled to your perceptions of life and I am entitled to mine.

Well, to the extent that we use our bodies to do beautiful, wonderful, spiritual things, they become "spiritualized". The bodies of the saints are viewed as being transcendental, though, from the mundane perspective, they are the same as anybody else's body.

It's not "sad" or "ungrateful" to me to acknowledge that these mortal coils are as fraught with miseries as they they are pleasures. It's called being honest with oneself, in my estimation.

You seem to be getting defensive, Ms. CYPRAH. I'm not trying to attack your world view, I'm just saying, from what I can see, there is no lasting happiness or substantive meaning to be found in materialism. Love and beauty transcend flesh and intellect.

The most discontented people I see are materialistic. The most content people I know have a spiritual focus.

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#3.6 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:17 PM EST
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The most discontented people I see are materialistic. The most content people I know have a spiritual focus.

That I will certainly agree with, MightyMait, especially as a spiritual person, but often such materialism has little to do with the body or attraction, and a lot to do with the desire for money and possessions.

It was James Allen who said

"Men do not attract who they seek, they attract who they are."

Perhaps those who are attracting material people are focusing too much themselves on the material aspects of this world because we usually get what we constantly fear or dwell on! Our thoughts dictate the quality of our lives so if we are constantly dwelling on negativity or the more superficial elements of life, that is all we are ever going to attract.

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#3.7 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:28 PM EST
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I don't think attraction and chemistry are purely physical. Perhaps, within the first ten seconds of meeting they are, but then the attraction expands beyond to encompass the personality, the intellect and the soul. I've seen men who, by any scientific standard, I should be attracted to, but something in their eyes destroyed any potential for attraction.

I think attraction is necessary in a relationship, but it can not be the sole basis of a long-lasting relationship. For that, it needs to grow into mutual respect, a willingness to be vulnerable and absolute trust. I'll admit I'm pretty young in the grand scheme of things, but I've been with my husband for 13 years and I still grin like a fool when I see him at the end of the day. My eyes still light up at the mention of his name. I still think he is the most amazing man I have ever met and I'm grateful to be with him every day. Chemistry and attraction can last, and it can grow.

Ms. Cyprah -Great quote from James Allen. I think too often we focus to much on what the other person in the relationship is/should be, than what we are and what we should strive to be.

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#3.8 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:04 PM EST
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I think attraction is necessary in a relationship, but it can not be the sole basis of a long-lasting relationship. For that, it needs to grow into mutual respect, a willingness to be vulnerable and absolute trust.

That is the essence of it all, wanderlust. In fact, i devoted another article to that: Why falling in love is not so easy. I love the bit about your own relationship because that is how I felt about the ment in my life. I was married for 33 years and right through them all we just had to look at each other and sparks would fly. It was awesome. So I understand what you mean.

Great input, thank you.

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#3.9 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:14 PM EST
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Nice discussion.

I agree about the positivity, Ms. CYPRAH. Too many so-called spiritual people (myself included) dwell on negativity rather than on gratitude for the many gifts we are given by God.

That said, *fear* is certainly a top killer of attraction and romance. I find that, as faith (in God, in one's partner...) increases, fear tends to decrease.

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#3.10 - Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:05 PM EST
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One of the most insightful and useful articles I've read on the vine.

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Reply#4 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:22 PM EST
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That's praise indeed, vas, thank you. Nice of you to drop by with your contribution. :o)

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#4.1 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:29 PM EST
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